[ SECRET POST #4952 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4952 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I feel that, OP. Honestly, I still can't believe that the last movie was such a train wreck. So many bad decisions...

[(Anonymous)]

CLONES

and time travel?

I still don't know. I liked it best when they were going to other worlds and doing more stock shounen-y things.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow I missed a lot when I skipped out on seeing The Battle of the Five Armies!

(I know you meant to post to Tsubasa Chronicles, but I definitely did a double take)

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt - LOL, I thought they were suggesting a solution and I was thinking... yeah, maybe that WOULD fix it... somehow?

[type_wild]

I really need someone to do the "Lord of the Rings, if it was a Clamp manga" thing

[(Anonymous)]

I have no idea how it'd go.

If it would be strictly CLAMP, we might have some questionable pairs (why CLAMP did you do an elementary school kid and her teacher. Why). Also I don't think I have a good enough read on them to do a plot on their stuff, though I could emulate their art style for sketches if anyone else wants to try.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

WHOOPS

[(Anonymous)]

The disaster of The Hobbit trilogy is sad. :( I love elements of it, I just wish Peter Jackson (and his bosses) had gone into it with more love for the source material than money.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like Jackson's heart was in the right place, but he took on the project because he felt he had to, not because he wanted to. Then he couldn't recreate the magic, then pile on top of THAT his weaknesses in flawed decision making that was present in LOTR but not as pronounced and you have a disaster.

I wanted to at least enjoy the Hobbit movies as dumb popcorn flicks, but they're not even that, IMO. The pacing is just so off, especially in the last one where you spend way too much time in Laketown with comic relief characters and the actual battle death scenes are blink-and-you'll-miss it.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't bother to watch the second and third Hobbit films, so I can't speak directly to the secret. But I think the general wtf reaction means that Amazon will work hard to do a better job with their Second Age series, which is a silver lining, perhaps.

[(Anonymous)]

Agree. As someone who was a teen when the original LoTR trilogy came out, I (and my fellow old-guard fans) felt personally attacked by the disastrous mishandling of the Hobbit. THREE MOVIES. THEY HAD THREE. WHOLE. MOVIES. to get it right and they DIDN'T.

I'm still salty.

I mean, it's not super consequential in the grand scheme of things and I hope it has paved the way for a more nuanced and faithful adaptation of the Second Age from Amazon, but I still feel rancorous when it's brought up. Also I cannot unsee the Smaug/Bilbo fics and I blame that film.

[(Anonymous)]

i don't have the same seething hatred that some people do for these movies, hell i still quite like the first one, but they absolutely were completely disappointing, even if they do have a few good scenes scattered about, and i wish they had been done better so i could look back on them with the same love i have for LoTR.

i really do long for what they could have been.

[(Anonymous)]

The first one left me feeling at least hopeful.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, the biggest problem with the Hobbit Trilogy is that PJ felt the need to make it a trilogy. Just imagine if he'd exercised a little bit of restraint and instead of shoehorning in Legolas or the stupid love triangle or Galadriel and Saruman, he just... told the story of The Hobbit, tweaked to give the dwarves actual personalities, and spent the money he saved by not stretching it out on decent special effects.

Seriously, I will never not hear the Mario jump sound effect in my head when Legolas is pointless hopping boulders in the last one.

[(Anonymous)]

I do wonder how much of that - making it a trilogy - was PJ and how much was the studio

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if he was pressured to make a trilogy. But, he was also flying pretty high at that point in his career. I'm pretty sure that if he had pushed back, the studio would have caved.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know how much was which, but I do know the studio pressured him to do it.

As other anon said, he had enough fame he could have pushed back, but evidently didn't (or not enough to be successful).

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind the Saruman and Galadriel storyline at all because that's pretty much what they were doing off-stage during the time of the book. At the time JRRT wrote it, he didn't know it was going to tie into LOTR, which he hadn't written in yet. When he wrote LOTR he retconned the Necromancer into Sauron to make that connection stronger. It makes sense that the Council would be addressing that as a threat. If you want a stronger thematic connection to LOTR, that's not a bad way to do it.

The love triangle, the endless video-game CGI stunt crap, though...blegh. Legolas should have been a cameo at best. I don't even mind Tauriel in principle, since The Hobbit has no female characters at all and that's just not cool so it makes sense to introduce one or two. I like her, I felt she deserved better.

[(Anonymous)]

Tauriel could have just been a Wood-Elf tracker/guard who gets involved with the main plot because she's following the prisoners and then realizes that there's more going on there than she realized. That would have been fine. Introducing a female character for the sake of a love triangle was unnecessary.

I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on the Galadriel and Saruman stuff though. I realize that it's semi-canonical backstory, but to me, it disrupted the main storyline in a way that felt more like padding than world-building. I would have preferred that they let the Hobbit stay a straight-forward adventure story on the surface with the foreshadowing in the background, instead of interrupting it for Council politics and some weird-ass romantic tension between Galadriel and Gandalf.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT 100% agreed on Tauriel. As a character she could have been great, but the love triangle was bullshit and pointless (especially in hindsight looking at Legolas's relationship with Gimli--if he'd watched even a close friend, much less a lover, go through that, he'd look at dwarves differently, don't you think?)

And god the Galadriel/Gandalf thing was weeeird.

[(Anonymous)]

Especially as Evangeline Lilly made them promise she wasn't going to be in a dumb love triangle, so they hid that part of the script from her until she was in contract.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like to see a fan cut that pares the Hobbit trilogy down to either 1 long movie or 2 shorter ones. There's stuff in there that was just badly implemented, but also a lot of good things that got drowned out by all the extra crap they had to shove in to stretch 1 medium sized book to a trilogy of films.

[(Anonymous)]

OP
Yes, I'd love that as well. All the fancuts I've seen are kinda awkward though, mostly due to the OST cutting out abruptly.

[(Anonymous)]

It could absolutely have been one movie. The Hobbit is about 25% longer than the first Harry Potter novel. Philosopher’s Stone was basically a filmed audiobook and it clocked in at under 2 hours. Even allowing for some creative tinkering, there’s no reason The Hobbit couldn’t have been told in the same amount of time as Return of the King.