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⌈ Secret Post #708 ⌋

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Okay, so, for a while I was thinking that everyone in the comments is right, it's just the kink meme where people are asking for rapefic that completely and totally disrespects tragedies. But then I thought about it for a minute.

THE PEOPLE ON THE KINK MEME ARE IN THE FANDOM. They are anonymous, so you don't know that they aren't the people asking for fanart of chibi!Italia or Germany/Italy or whatever.

Also, there's a certain line where I think people should make a stand against assholery, and "LOL RAPE OF NANKING AMIRITE?? XD" is over it.

What you've brought up is essentially what I've come to think of as the anonmeme paradox. I remember running across a person on some anonymous meme complaining about how they hate the anonmeme for ruining such a nice fandom. The response to that comment has always stayed with me, and it was, in short: it's still the same fandom, just anonymous. Suddenly, no one feels as good about themselves anymore.

But I believe I have good reason to think that those requests on the Hetalia kink meme do not represent the majority of the fandom. Someone else here has already pointed out that they are only a handful in something like over 30 pages of requests. The Hetalia fandom is even bigger than this. I don't use the kink meme myself. I personally know other fans, whose words I would take on faith if they told me that they would never exploit history in such a horrible way. It would be ridiculous to give in to some kind of paranoid attitude toward your fellow fans just because the meme is anonymous. I just won't.

The Hetalia fandom acknowledges that those requests are fucked up. The fandom is, in general, pretty intolerant of this kind of behavior, because unsurprisingly, we're pretty much more aware than anyone how controversial this series has the potential to be. We make every effort to separate this kind of behavior from the majority of fandom, and the series itself, which contains none of this volatile material. If you're calling for people to make a stand against the kind of isolated awfulness presented in the secret, I have nothing more to say. But if you're calling for everyone to boycott the Hetalia fandom because hey, any of them could have made a request, I really have to protest.

You're missing my point. I just think the fandom as a whole ought to troll the crap out of the kink meme and shut it down, and also that "it's only the kink meme" is a bad excuse because you don't know who's on the kink meme.

Hey, some of us actually like the better parts of the kink meme. And some of us are more willing to write things when we know that we're posting anonymous. I don't think that the rest of us should have to miss out on the less-offensive requests just because one person wants to trivialize some pretty dark parts of history.

Sinking to trolling solves nothing. Ignoring tasteless requests, or better yet, pointing out the reason why they're tasteless. I don't really care to point fingers, so it honestly doesn't matter to me who made those requests: it embarrasses me enough that they exist. As long as that kind of behavior is frowned upon to the point where it no longer persists, I don't see why the rest of the meme can't go on its merry way.

Actually, that fic about the Rape of Nanking was far, far from that. If anything it didn't trivialize, only imagine an inkling of what horror it was (and there was practically no porn in it either). I admit I like that one because it imagines how China and Japan could even get along after something like that.

I admit I don't know what the OP of that request was aiming for. One thing I can say that this Kink Meme do have content that rises far and beyond what a kink meme usually do, especially on serious aspects of history when the porn is usually downplayed or non-existent. It's totally a huge risk to even request for something like that though. Maybe the OP had put their faith on that.

But I think those kinds of request come in not to see hot PRONZ to trivialize the event, but more of digging through the psych of these characters of what it is being immortal and an anthropomorphism of their country. Not to say there aren't some prompts that are downright tastelessly done.

But I definitely can see why people can get pissed off it though.

No matter how well-done the final product actually turns out to be, the kink meme is just the wrong place to bring up such a topic. I would understand if someone in the fandom decides to write fanfic or draw fan art exploring the issue in a serious, non-exploitative way, but on a kink meme you can't escape the negative connotations. Being pornish and non-serious is what those meme are for. Whoever lodged those requests couldn't possibly have thought it all through, regardless of what they actually expected to receive in return.

I just want to briefly point out that the Hetalia meme shouldn't really be called a "kink meme" anymore, because IMO there have been enough non-porn related prompts that it should instead be viewed as an anonymous request meme.

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