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[ SECRET POST #709 ]

⌈ Secret Post #709 ⌋

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As you should be. Fucking shit pisses the hell out of me. And then I feel guilty for getting pissy at people who just want to love my piece of shit country (because it sucks, frankly, and Irish people are better at complaining about Ireland than anyone else and and like complaining about it more than anything else, but of course no one else is allowed to say anything. And that's the way it's gotta be.) AND THEN IT IS JUST A CYCLE OF GUILT!!!11!1OMG!

(Although, I do occasionally wonder if state and provinces in other countries hate each other as much as the counties in Ireland do. Y'know, when I'm not too busy HATING OTHER COUNTIES AND OTHER COUNTRIES AND EVERYTHING OPSDIFHJTOIRJBDIFGNB AGGGGHHH!)

(Although, I do occasionally wonder if state and provinces in other countries hate each other as much as the counties in Ireland do. Y'know, when I'm not too busy HATING OTHER COUNTIES AND OTHER COUNTRIES AND EVERYTHING OPSDIFHJTOIRJBDIFGNB AGGGGHHH!)

hey... ITALY. People (esp. in Tuscany in my experience, but it applies to the whole country) are still arguing about wars between cities in the middle ages.

Wow, I miss so much being from the Pacific Northwest. We've only had our current geographic organization and associated identities for around 150 years and so haven't had time to organize any really juicy resentments between the residents of King and Whatcom counties, for example. It may be different for the Native Americans, but if so they aren't telling the rest of us. :)

lol, why do you think the English managed to get a foothold in Ireland in the first place? So much in-fighting that the different kingdoms had to bring in soldiers from abroad to help out and then the next thing we knew we were getting the crap kicked out of by the Brits and we all banded together again. Oh irony.

It is sadly, sadly hilarious though.

that's actually rather epic. I had friends who were Italian, but they were first gen Irish-Italian and were frankly more concerned about the troubles in the North than their Italian heritage, which always disappointed me a little. (Who else did I have to tell me these things?)

Lol, as a native Italian living in Italy... I can tell you we take our campanilismo pretty seriously ;-) Well, most of the times it's just mutual mockery, but it can get nasty sometimes.

And ditto on the "nobody can complain about our country BUT US!". Although I think that's pretty common - no matter how critical you can be of your country, when you hear foreigners being judgmental or reducing your culture to steretypes it's hard not to become defensive.

Really? Is Ravenna still refusing to ship Dante's remains back to Florence...?? Sheesh...

Well, it's not that they are refusing: Florence itself didn't officially take back its ban on Dante until... Last May.

Want more? The other Tuscan provinces love to hate on Pisa because back in the day the taxmen were Pisan. Hence the traditional saying "it's better to have a death in your household rather than a Pisan on your doorstep".
The Siena/Florence rivalry goes back to this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Montaperti) Livorno hates on Pisa much more than all the other cities, and I'm sure there are many other rivalries I could list if I were Tuscan :-D They are the best at this because they are probably the ones with the best eloquence in Italy, so I suppose they also like to bring this on so they can keep thinking of creative ways of insulting each other.

Us from Veneto can't genetically have that linguistic flair, but the rivalry between Venice and its mainland - which I suppose goes back to when Venice conquered the other cities in the region by warfare - lives on: the Venetians think we are all uneducated peasants, we think they can't drive (because they are used to boats ;-P) and that they are the vulgar ones. I could go further into detail but I think I've given enough :-D Then Spike Lee comes and tells us we need to get over arguing stuff that happened in World War II. He clearly doesn't have a clue: WW II was yesterday, lol.

(Actually curious). Is this animosity only for people who consume Irish culture in terms of what is offered for consumption, tailored to tourists and such, or does it extend to people who get the Irish Times delivered to them in the US and stay up on Irish current events... what about American camogie players? Granted, the only American camogier I know is my sister and she's moving to Ireland permanently, so I guess she's a bit of a rarity. (Also, thanks to her influence, every time I see someone wearing a shirt that says Hurley I think oh, hurling, not oh, skateboard company.)

Err, I suppose it's not even the latter so much, as much as it is people (particularly teenage people) who squee and obsess about Ireland and how Irish they are when they know next to nothing about the country. At least when people come over and do the touristy thing I get that they're trying to see the country (and frankly, most of them leave complaining about how expensive everything is. Which is true and makes me feel strangely vindicated.) and if they don't get to see the 'true' Ireland, that's because that's not the foot that the tourist board and the government want to put forward.

On the other hand, I think it's wonderful that people want to get involved in our culture in other countries. Anyone who wants to play a GAA sport or learn Irish abroad is fine by me, I think it's fantastic. So your sister kind of rocks. I guess it's like the weeaboo thing with people who insist they know so much about Japanese culture when they know nothing outside of anime and manga. People insisting they're Irish and know so much about Ireland and love it so much when they have the most tenuous connection possible to the country and know nothing about the country as it is today.

Mostly, I think it just stems from the great Irish tradition of not being happy unless we have something to whinge about. We're the best in Europe. (I suspect from circumstantial evidence and hear-say however that the Chinese out-complain us on a global standard.)

When I was there visiting family in Cork I was surprised by how much DID look like I had been led to expect from calendars and posters and Ballykissangel. I went in January and the whole time I was like OMFG ITS ACTUALLY GREEN. HOLY SHIT. And the different colored doors! And the little tiny walls around the little tiny front gardens! And it rained every day-- splendid! The palm trees, though, I was NOT expecting.

Granted, it's actually pretty picturesque down there. I've only been down Cork/Kerry direction... Twice? I think, something like that. I live much further North though and from Dublin straight up to Belfast (Where I live is in between.) it's mostly just housing estates and urban sprawl. There's like, fields, yeah, but there's always houses in the middle of the view, everywhere because of poor planning permission. The greenest most unspoiled areas also tend to have been poorer historically and the reason they're so green is because no one could be arsed building anything there. And uh, yeah. I'll quit being all srsbzns now.

Obviously, that's why we hate them so much. :P And yeah, people planted some pretty insane shit in the 60s and 70s. You should see my granda's monkey puzzlers...

Ah, sure now I understand it. You're from Louth, aren't you, you poor fecker?

Go on and admit it so we can all take the piss ;p

I mock and deride you in your north-easterness, being entirely unlike you in every way. (Though my Granda also had monkey puzzles)

holy fuck no! lmao, I'm not that unfortunate. ...Monaghan? It's really not quite as bad.

I last went to Ireland in 2006. I went by myself, started in Lisdoonvarna, made a ring around the whole country. I figure traveling on my own (and NOT in a freaking tourist group) is the only way to see Ireland...hanging out in the same pubs and bus stations, standing in lines at banks, reading and watching the same news, buying sandwiches and stuff in the same groceries. Thank God for all the local minivan/taxi companies; without them, gosh knows how I would have gotten out to all the prehistoric sites I visited and photographed. I also brought my fiddle with me, and joined (and taped) a bunch of trad sessions. I do that in Seattle too (though most of our session crowds have pretty much died in the last few years).

I enjoyed visiting the North again too, except for the pound/dollar exchange rate...*cringes* Antrim coast FTW!!

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