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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-08-19 04:25 pm

[ SECRET POST #4975 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4975 ⌋

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Re: Inspired by #3

[personal profile] kamino_neko 2020-08-19 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Your definition is highly ideosyncratic, not standard. This is obvious when you look at one of the foundational dystopian works - Nineteen Eighty-Four.

The Party does exactly the opposite of presenting Oceanea as a utopia. It's in a permanent state of war, the Outer Party members are kept in a state of perpetual fear (of the Thought Police, of each other, of whichever foreigners are on the opposing side of the war), and while the Proles are distracted with bread and circuses, even they know things are shit on a macro level - it's just not their business.

Funnily, since you cite TV Tropes, it should be noted that they draw a distinction between Dystopia and False Utopia (which are both subsets of Crapsack World)...though they're not mutually exclusive, the former does not require the latter.

A Dystopia, by TV Tropes definition, is a Crapsack World that draws its Crapsackness by extrapolating/exaggerating from real world issues. (This is, of course, as ideosyncratic to TV Tropes as your definition is to you.)

A False Utopia is...just what it says on the tin.

Re: Inspired by #3

(Anonymous) 2020-08-20 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent points.