[ SECRET POST #4975 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4975 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just here to correct a mistake that's already been made and will probably be made more.

All dystopias are disguised as utopias to the characters who live in them and sometimes the reader as well. If a terrible society doesn't sell an image of being a great place, if everyone who lives there knows it sucks, it's not a dystopia. It's just a terrible society. I think TV Tropes calls it a Crapsack World. In any case, not a dystopia.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

I totally disagree, and I don't in any way know where you get this definition of dystopias, or where this formal distinction between "dystopias" and "terrible societies" comes from. As far as I can determine, the term has no more precise definition than "the opposite of a utopia." I reject your definition and I don't know what authority it's based on.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you think that?

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

I actually really like this distinction and think it's valuable. But I don't think it's officially correct according to a general consensus of literary or philosophical authorities.

Re: Inspired by #3

[kamino_neko]

Your definition is highly ideosyncratic, not standard. This is obvious when you look at one of the foundational dystopian works - Nineteen Eighty-Four.

The Party does exactly the opposite of presenting Oceanea as a utopia. It's in a permanent state of war, the Outer Party members are kept in a state of perpetual fear (of the Thought Police, of each other, of whichever foreigners are on the opposing side of the war), and while the Proles are distracted with bread and circuses, even they know things are shit on a macro level - it's just not their business.

Funnily, since you cite TV Tropes, it should be noted that they draw a distinction between Dystopia and False Utopia (which are both subsets of Crapsack World)...though they're not mutually exclusive, the former does not require the latter.

A Dystopia, by TV Tropes definition, is a Crapsack World that draws its Crapsackness by extrapolating/exaggerating from real world issues. (This is, of course, as ideosyncratic to TV Tropes as your definition is to you.)

A False Utopia is...just what it says on the tin.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

Excellent points.