[ SECRET POST #4978 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4978 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's nothing wrong with defending village life or rural culture. I do think there are a few things that I disagree with in what you said, though.

First, I don't understand why rural village culture is necessarily also bound up with being white. I don't understand why it's impossible for rural village culture to accommodate non-white people, or why the presence of non-white people constitutes a threat in and of itself. I don't get why non-white people are incapable of wanting a life where people gossip about everyday events and say hi to people going out for a walk. And I don't get why it's necessary to bind up that idea of rural village life and culture with an aggressive nationalism, or really ethno-nationalism. So talking about Midsomer Murders being 'a bastion of Englishness', for example, kind of bothers me.

And I also think that focusing on peoples' race overlooks larger threats to the stability of rural village life (or any other permanent social structures), especially the corrosive effects of unrestrained capitalism, which hollows out everything that it touches.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a very intelligent, kind, and measured response to a crappy comment.

My hometown is super white too, as a direct result of redlining and other policies designed to keep it that way. If there were a show or book set in my hometown, written more or less the same way but with a diverse cast (by which I mean the POC were not nannies, manual laborers, etc.) it would be an improvement, because it would be depicting a better version of the world.

"And I don't get why it's necessary to bind up that idea of rural village life and culture with an aggressive nationalism, or really ethno-nationalism." <-- THIS THIS THIS

[(Anonymous)]

America and the UK are not comparable in this matter at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that there's huge differences between the two countries, but I'm curious what specific differences make them incomparable in this specific context

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Because it's white people who have that culture. Sure if people want to move to the village and integrate great I have no problem with that regardless of skin colour. But in today's world people, people don't want to integrate, they want their own cultures which is more than fair enough. But then it leads to the erosion of our way of life. You can see that in any English city with a large population of Muslims. Look at the protests by Muslim parents over LGBTQ lessons in schools for God's sake.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy crap you sound like a white supremacist.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. I'm not saying other cultures can't exist. I'm saying my culture has as much right to exist and there's nothing wrong with that.

[(Anonymous)]

But you want those cultures to say away from you and not ~erode your way of life~. If you don't want to be called a white supremacist, stop saying shit that makes you sound like one.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, yeah, integration is a complicated process that takes time. But if your attitude is that it's just simply impossible, I think that's categorically wrong. Immigrant communities are not all the same. Some people are going to prefer to be in communities that stay closer to their own cultures, some people want to integrate more. Both of those things are fine, and they can coexist. You can't point to people in the specific environment of urban immigrant communities, and then say that all Muslim and Asian immigrants are going to act in the exact same way regardless of the environment they're in, even if they're in different economic circumstances and in a rural environment.

Are there adjustments, sure, is it a change to have rural areas be less white, but that's not the same as an erosion of a lifestyle. You say it yourself! Where people want to integrate, it's not a problem. You just close off the possibility that non-white people can ever integrate, for no good reason.

And then focusing on immigrants means that you don't focus on the pervasive economic forces and corporate domination that really does threaten to hollow out the countryside and erode rural lifestyles. And are you really defending LGBT people and the idea of liberal openness in society when you're defending someone who implicitly said that only rural white people really count as English? Is the attitude that we're all in favor of gay people, as long as they happen to be rural and white?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

And are you really defending LGBT people and the idea of liberal openness in society when you're defending someone who implicitly said that only rural white people really count as English?

"BuT tHeY dOn'T lIkE gAy PeOpLe!!!11!" is an argument I've seen from Islamophobes so many times. It's a distraction that they think will keep people from realizing they're a bigot, but it rarely works, in my experience.

[(Anonymous)]

They don't. And that should be a problem for you. Because eventually, it will be a problem for LGBTQ people.

[(Anonymous)]

You're a problem for LGBTQ people

[(Anonymous)]

If you're not worried about protecting long term gay rights then I'm pretty sure it's you that is the problem.