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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-09-20 03:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #5007 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5007 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't blame you OP, the shoe is literally being melted alive and screaming to death so yeah :s

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
i thought like 99% of people who ever watched the film thought that

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
yes it is sad! Real death!

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
No, that scene's definitely supposed to be disturbing.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Definitely intentional... disturbed me for realz as a kid and later ):

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for making my secret, secret maker! Poor shoe.

I'm glad that everyone else is pointing out that of course it's meant to be horrible. It definitely disturbed me a lot as a kid. I just still feel a little ridiculous because I'm a grown-ass adult now and it's, well...I've actually had people say "it's just a cartoon shoe" to me when I point out I still hate that scene!

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
that's such an odd read. "it's just a cartoon shoe?" yeah but in context it is literally that character dying a slow and horrible, tortured death. how is that not worth considering disturbing?

like, I know it's hip to point out just how hard you're able to separate real life from fiction but...disturbing things within fiction are there to allow us to learn things about ourselves and the world without having to rely on a real life problem to do so. I'd rather you, OP, were okay understanding the problem of casual cruelty because of a cartoon shoe over a real life person or animal being harmed.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT - I agree with everything you said here. I guess some people saying that are idk, trying to be edgy and distance themselves from something they consider childish? But as you've mentioned, just because it's a toon doesn't mean the message of cruelty isn't there.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel that anyone saying "it's just a cartoon shoe" completely missed one of the major points of the movie. I was a grown-ass adult when I first saw the movie and found it disturbing. It's intended to be.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Aww, I rewatched the scene. The shoe really sounds and acts puppyish! I also vaguely remember as a kid both the shock that it’s possible to kill a toon, and that it’s used so immediately to kill an innocent one (like I was waiting for Doom to use a weasel or something). Oh! And being unnerved on finding out that the weasels, as toons, were really fully on board with this, too. I kind of knew there were some darker undercurrents and other “adult things” I wasn’t entirely getting at the time, but that scene was clear!

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
SA - and just remembered - when it was clear the shoe was in danger, I thought Doom would just threaten the shoe, or at most splash it and throw it back at them, rather than just straight-up dip it! Man. That scene!

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
OP of secret - the way the shoe cuddles up to Doom's foot as though he expects a friend is definitely one of the worst things about it.

And good point about the weasels. When you put it that way, contrary to my sympathy for the shoe, I'm kinda not sorry Eddy makes the weasels laugh to death! Nor am I sorry for the end that Doom meets. But the narrative of the film kinda makes you want to think that way about Doom anyway.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Nayrt - yeah, I definitely think the shoe being completely innocent and puppyish in a way is a big part of the disturbing factor... I guess some of us do not need emotions to be portrayed by real actors to feel some degree of empathy? Idk I personally am very sensitive to animal suffering IRL and in films too and I was very disturbed by this scene, so maybe there is a correlation.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
The scene really upset me as a kid.

Funnily enough, every subsequent time I've caught that film on TV, that scene has been cut.
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[personal profile] mishey22 2020-09-20 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I could have made this secret.
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[personal profile] greghousesgf 2020-09-20 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I felt sorry for that poor shoe too.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-20 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Add me to the list of those who got freaked out by that scene, too. That and when Doom's eyes bugged out whenever he started yelling. He was a legit scary villain.
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[personal profile] segnung 2020-09-21 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
That scene is downright traumatizing and I hate it.

On a lighter note, when I was in kindergarten (about a year after the film was out) I was telling my classmates how upsetting that scene was. One of them earnestly reassured me that the shoe didn't die, he was transformed into Benny the Cab! That made us all feel better and we believed it, of course. Looking back, I realize his parents made up a very clever lie to comfort their son and in turn, he comforted us.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-21 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
Genuine A+ parenting there!
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[personal profile] epicurean 2020-09-21 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, that's actually very sweet. :) Bless his parents.
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2020-09-21 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
In hindsight, that scene is foreshadowing that the judge is a toon. Humans aren't going to be harmed by acetone and turpentine like that, there's no need for that heavy duty a glove. And that heightens the dread, very deliberately so your reaction is understandable, OP
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[personal profile] epicurean 2020-09-21 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Oh good lord, ditto. That scene still gives me nightmares and I just downright refuse to watch it when it comes up.
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[personal profile] a_phoenixdragon 2021-02-16 08:04 am (UTC)(link)
So much agreement with so many people here. That scene frightened and enraged and depressed and horrified. The mix of emotions was overwhelming - much of it because the shoe came up to him and behaved like a kitten or puppy would (another clue he was a 'toon - it was reacting to seeing one of its' own) - and how coldly, calculatingly he destroyed it. The shoe's screams and pleading eyes just poured cold water into my gut when I was a kid - and to this day, the whole scene still upsets me on so very many levels. To me it is also a good gauge of someone's empathy. If that DIDN'T upset you, it makes me wonder about your emotional levels and how you handle other people and creatures around you.

I especially agree with the commenter that made mention of the fact that it may have been a 'cartoon shoe' but it FELT like a real person. We connect to fiction on an emotional level to help us understand and even cope with RL situations. My hubby said (when I mentioned this post) that fictional situations such as this scene, helps us deal at a 'safe distance' or 'level of safety' that we cannot get with a real life situation happening in the moment. We can take time to grapple with our feelings and view it all from the safety of detachment, even as we allow the toll of emotion to roll over us, teach us about ourselves and the world.

That said, even as a grown woman in her early 40s, this scene hits me even harder than it did as a child. I have more emotional depth and understanding - a filter granted to me as an adult that I didn't have as a child. That means I 'get' what I feel a little better, though I still get echoes of that wrenching, breathless 'gut' reaction I felt as a child watching this in the theater.