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⌈ Secret Post #5010 ⌋

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Comments

SA

[(Anonymous)]

What's the difference between male gaze and er... sapphic gaze though? I'm not even attracted to women irl but I can appreciate a nice view of a nice body in my ship material, I don't care what gender they are.

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

Generalizing a fair bit here, but...

The male gaze generally has an element of objectification with focus and emphasis on the 'object' part: literally the seeing of women as bodies or possessions (the whole 'sexy lamp' trope, woman-as-fucktoy, etc). Personality, character, etc, all takes a backseat to breast size and fuckability.

The sapphic gaze, coming from the perspective of other women, tends naturally more towards emotional attraction and humanising the object of affection, even when it's in tandem with appreciation of the physical form. There's a pretty heavy focus in many F/F fandoms on, for example, fluff/domesticity/etc rather than PWP.

It's basically like that comic showing Batman-as-a-ripped-hunk male power fantasy vs. Batman-as-a-soft-big-eyed-woobie female fantasy, or Hugh Jackman as dehydrated-shirtless-muscled-Wolverine on a men's magazine vs. soft-sweaters-and-flowers on a women's one. Women and men idealise and romanticise differently.

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

I definitely get where you're coming from but I do worry that we're still being too essentialist here. In particular, with the soft-fluff-domesticity emphasis in contemporary f/f fandom, is that really characteristic of a sapphic gaze? Isn't that idea kind of restrictive and sex-negative?

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

SA.

You have a point. My instinct was to use 'female gaze' rather than 'sapphic', if that helps, but I opted to use the same word as the post I was replying to.

Again, the analogy was very much broad-strokes and I did mention it generalized a lot: there's definitely a lot of room for nuance in all directions, for sure. Just felt like the easiest way to summarize the basic differences in a single comment, that's all -- I was aiming for simplification rather than restrictiveness!

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

What you're basically describing is that common generalization of male vs female sexuality i.e. visual vs emotional triggers. But demonizing the male gaze throws the women who are into that type of stuff under the bus though, doesn't it

[(Anonymous)]

What your describing here is stereotype not fact.

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

You're right and you should say it, anon. People's knee-jerk hostility towards generalizations that acknowledge they're generalizations always drives me crazy. God forbid was generalize anything, ever, regardless of whether it is the most obvious fucking thing in the world.

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

Is that still a male gaze if I'm a woman and I have it? Nice-looking breasts are often what makes the difference between a woman I want to be BFFs with, and a woman I'd like to fuck.