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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligence

[(Anonymous)]

Negligence of a group of adults. Okay.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand how that's a mitigating factor.

You said she wasn't aware of it. If she was not aware of it, she should have been aware of it. It was her responsibility as a person in charge of the workplace to be aware of it. So her being unaware of it is not an excuse, because in being unaware of it, she was neglecting her responsibility as the person in charge of the workplace.

[(Anonymous)]

She isn't in charge of the workplace, though? You're really showing that you have zero idea of what show business is really like. She's the face, and she gets the final vote on things written for the show. Like, end of. She's not the boss.

[(Anonymous)]

I understand being protective of her, lord knows people hate lesbians, but come on. Not caring what goes on in a workplace that has *her* name on it is not a good look to say the least.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

What suggests she doesn't care though?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, she didn't do anything about it until it became a national news story

So either she didn't care enough to do anything about it, or she didn't care enough to know that it was going on

[(Anonymous)]

She made a public apology, so on the public side, there's nothing else she can do.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a fair point.

It is possible that she cares now, but it seems pretty clear that she did not care previously.

[(Anonymous)]

So let's cancel her for ever being an accessory to somebody else being toxic?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what "cancel" means in this context. I definitely don't think her show needs to be canceled. But I also don't think we should make excuses for her doing a shitty thing by running a shitty, abusive, toxic workplace, whether negligently or not. People should be criticized for that, because it's a shitty thing to do.

[(Anonymous)]

How about, let's not let her off the hook for running a workplace where people were regularly being abused, and where she seems to have been aware that people were regularly being abused and chose to allow it to continue, just because she happens to be a lesbian who accomplished important things in the past.

[(Anonymous)]

Can it not be argued that you have already achieved this aim by bringing attention to it? Her reputation is already seriously damaged, so how hasn't she already paid for her subordinates being toxic to their subordinates?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Given the number of people in this thread who think it's fine because she's a lesbian and she didn't abuse any workers personally, it seems reasonable to say that this end has not been achieved!

[(Anonymous)]

lmfao What do you want? There's no jail of public opinion and no criminal charges for not ensuring that your subordinates are telling the truth when they say everything's fine. What would you suggest? She apologized a number of times privately and began an investigation into claims, she apologized publicly. What exactly should the next action be? Self-flagellation?

[(Anonymous)]

What I want is for people to stop saying that it's NBD and making excuses for her

When people say it's NBD and make excuses for her, I think they're wrong

[(Anonymous)]

Please, please show me where anyone said it was NBD? All I see is people saying that she probably didn't have as much control over the situation as you think she did.

It happened, it was shitty. She took public responsibility once the word got out, she apologized. What else do you want? Seriously. What more do you want? Continued, more dramatic public prostration? Anyone who even vaguely thought she wasn't the devil to prostrate themselves before you as well?

I don't even like her, so don't take this as me defending her on basis of fandom. I'm not even defending her. It's done. It's over.

[(Anonymous)]

Please, please show me where anyone said it was NBD?

Did you read the post that started this whole thread? Because it's all about how no one should be mad at Ellen and people are just looking for excuses to cancel Ellen.

All I see is people saying that she probably didn't have as much control over the situation as you think she did.

I think there are valid points to be raised there. But if you take that to the extent that she didn't have responsibility for the situation, I think that's absolutely making excuses for her conduct, where she was an executive producer of the show who was heavily involved with the production.

It happened, it was shitty. She took public responsibility once the word got out, she apologized. What else do you want? Seriously. What more do you want? Continued, more dramatic public prostration? Anyone who even vaguely thought she wasn't the devil to prostrate themselves before you as well?

I do not want Ellen to be punished more in any way. I'm not trying to cancel her. I accept that Ellen has apologized. I don't think anyone else here wants Ellen to be punished - I don't think there are any posts in this thread suggesting that Ellen needs to be punished more, so I'm honestly confused where this suggestion even came from or why it's been brought up twice now.

I just don't agree at all with the idea that Ellen doesn't have any responsibility for the mistreatment of her employees, and I don't agree with the idea that criticizing Ellen for that is somehow an overreaction, or that she deserves a pass on it, or that people are only looking for things to be offended about. I think that people who say those things are wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

She has an executive producer credit and, by all accounts, is heavily involved in the creative side of the show at the very least. This is not a case where all she does is show up, get on stage and read her lines.

Also, per accounts, she literally witnessed instances of her executives bullying people and did nothing.