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[ SECRET POST #5019 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5019 ⌋

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And what does it accomplish? Does it change the world for the better?

People need to stop obsessing over what other people ship and concentrate on content they themselves enjoy. But maybe the only joy these people can feel is the sense of false superiority for their wholesome and correct ship choices.

Well, if it can serve as a wake up call to the kind of people who don't realize it's not ok to ask twins to kiss for them, there's a plus right there.

But there's a big difference between someone doing that and people just enjoying the kink itself. One is an act of social obtuseness and is not directly related to the kink itself.

I'd argue that any person nagging others to make out in cosplay because they ship the pairing is the same kind of gross. As are pervy guys in bars who egg on girls/girlfriends/sisters to make out so they can perve over them.

I ship a couple of incest pairings. The kink does not directly lead to that behavior. And screaming in peoples faces that it's problematic in your opinion does fuck all to change that behavior.

Do you think that a community, where the kink is completely normalized and the only people who point that this stuff is kinda icky are immediately labeled "disgusting antis", can maybe cause those socially obtuse people to believe that there's objectively nothing wrong or unusual about the kink, causing them to bring it up in the company and circustances where it's inappropriate? I've been in that situation normally and absolutely do blame my bubble for it. I didn't even realize it's a bubble for the longest time.

I'd argue that any person nagging others to make out in cosplay because they ship the pairing is the same kind of gross.

You'd be surprised how often women in fandom believe that it's ok for them to act in a grossly sexual way towards nonconsenting people, because they are female and therefore cute and nonthreatening by default.

I didn't say I thought just guys nagging cosplayers was gross. I said anyone.

So you think it's your imperative to make sure that everyone has a moral stance dictated to them for their kinks? Because that is essentially what you're saying.

nayrt: people are perfectly entitled to say that they don't ship it and why. You don't have to read or engage in it.

That's not what you've been saying though. You've been talking about how people should be made aware that their ship is problematic. I think you need to sit down and work out what the hell you do mean because you are very very inconsistent.

nayrt

You're speaking with multiple different people.

You do realize that you're responding to at least two different people?

I say on my own feed that the writers of The Rise Of Skywalker failed to sell me on a ship between people who, realistically, would need a fuckton of therapy to deal with shared trauma, much of it caused by Ben. How is that bullying to express my own opinion of a ship without a #tag or

username?

I think it's imperative to make sure that everyone understands that your porn preferences are like your privates: you only show themand discuss them with people, who have consented to that first, you don't expose them to random people under the belief that anyone, who doesn't share your kink or god forbid is sqicked or triggered by it, is a an evil bully, who ought to be ashamed of themselves. It's imperative to teach people that porn needs to be properly tagged and if it involves dynamics or kinks that can trigger people with real life traumas, should probably be posted in locked communities rather than showing up in the twitter tag of little kids looking up cute fanart of their favourite cartoon characters. It's imperative to teach people that when having a discussion about a movie in a group made up of random people whose thoughts, feelings, and experiences you don't know, bringing up your impression that the the child and their parent in said movie would be cute together as a romantic pairing is probably not the best idea. That maybe thoughts like these should only be shared in a community of people that you know from experience have been sharing similar impressions on that particular website, or discord, or tag. Just like you wouldn't usually bring up how bad your junk smells today, whenever someone mentions having a headache, or stubbing their toe and it's not because your junk is being oppressed by the evil antis. Simply because there's a time and place to share certain thoughts and feelings, and doing so in any other time and place is inappropriate.

I don't know. I doubt anyone has ever come across some tumblr post about a "problematic" ship and went: "Oh well, I was planning on acting like an asshole, but after reading this self important drivel about how nobody should ship X because gross I decided to become a better person."

I have met a lot of people, who decided that maybe they should share their kinky porn in closed communities rather than uploading it on their main twitter account, precisely because they read such posts.

Now it's about sharing porn online and not about people telling others to kiss?

That is part of it, yeah. I create and share porn online, in locked communities, where it belongs. And I must say it's a breath of fresh air to not go to tags for canons intended for a child audience and see untagged porn of the characters right there. Still happens, but definitely not as often as it used to. I still remember looking up pokemon fanart on tumbrl with my little sister and seeing a ton of bestiality porn, and that's with the safe search on, because people didn't think to tag their porn properly. Nowadays that isn't as common and antis are a big reason for it. People have become less reckless about where and how they post their porn. I wish the anits would just end it at making angry posts instead of harrassing people, but again: the number of antis who are harrassers are about the same as the number of anti-antis who think nothing of making a sexy photomanip of child characters and posting it untagged for all to see because "it's about the characters not about the actors!!!" even though the images used are photos of the actors.

NAYRT You're swerving all over the place with your argument here. Keeping your erotic fanfic/art locked down on social media or appropriately tagged on AO3 is surely just common fucking sense.

I wish it were, but for many people, it's not. Those people are the only ones I have a problem with. I'm cool with people who kink responsibly, I'm one of them myself.

You're so vain, you probably think this discussion of unhealthy relationship cliches in multi-million dollar entertainment franchises is about you.

Seriously, lit analysis and crit is more a part of fandom than the fic. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.

I wasn't talking about lit analysis or crit. I meant posts along the lines of "OMG, this ship is so wrong and everyone shipping it is sick".

You going there is your problem.

Fair enough. I've seen a lot of those lately, so that's the first thing that came to mind.

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