[ SECRET POST #5022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5022 ⌋

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Comments

[tree_and_leaf]

Just noting that not every culture views relationships between first cousins as incestuous. (And regardless of how you feel about them, I think they're pretty clearly in a different class to a relationship between siblings).

[(Anonymous)]

Had the relationship been between her and a brother of a very close age, I would have been more disturbed, but I wouldn't have done anything differently. Presuming she was very clear on the fact that the relationship was mutually desired, I would have responded the same way.

I'm not sure what other people ITT think they would do in such a situation. Go to the police? Go to the parents? Disown their friend? None of those things strike me as remotely helpful. More likely they would all be damaging.

[(Anonymous)]

Had the relationship been between her and a brother of a very close age

But it wasn't. Ask yourself why it almost never is in real life. You are basing your entire argument on a hypothetical scenario, which doesn't reflect the reality of 99% of real life incestous relationships between siblings. What do you want us to say? "Sure, if your hypothetical scenario ever happened in real life (and it almost never does), then it would be ok?" "Sure, because a hypothetcial scenario like that is conceivable, it means that incest as a concept should not have negative connotations (despite the fact that in 99% of actual real life cases it turns out negative)?". I'm genuinely confused what are you trying to accomplish with this argument.

[(Anonymous)]

.... so you agree that when it's not in real life incest can be ok? like say, in fiction? perhaps fan fiction of some kind even?

[(Anonymous)]

This is not a discussion about incest in fiction. Yes, incest in fiction is pretty hot and lots of people, myself included, enjoy it. This has no bearing on the morality of incestous relationships in real life, which is the topic of this thread.

[(Anonymous)]

But the fact that Western culture views them as incestuous makes them pretty clearly relevant to this conversation. If you're talking about incestuous relationships, especially in a Western context, that includes first cousin relationships.

[(Anonymous)]

"Western culture" meaning which one? Even in the US only roughly half of the states outlaw it.

[(Anonymous)]

But you still can't simply operate on the assumption that incest doesn't ever include cousin relationships, because that's not universally the way the way the word is used

[(Anonymous)]

But if you're going to have hours long arguments with people, it's good to pick a topic that you actually disagree about instead of building a strawman and beating it all day and night. Most people here are not opposed to cousin relationships, the disagreement is over the morality of sibling and parent/child relationships.

[(Anonymous)]

If you say that all incestuous relationships are categorically wrong and abusive, then someone responding by talking about cousin relationships is raising a valid objection. They shouldn't be expected to know that you didn't mean what you said. If you want to be specific about sibling relationships, be specific.

And that's what I disagree with overall - the absolute blanket statements. I agree that most incestuous relationships IRL are bad. I think where we draw that line matters and I think it also has an impact on how we treat fictional incest.

[(Anonymous)]

If I say that all incestuous relationships are categorically wrong and abusive, and by "incestous realtionships" i mean the ones that are officially considered incestous in almost all countries in the world, you don't get to show up and bring up a relationship type that a tiny handful of places considers incestous as well and go "gotcha!". If I say that I'm allergic to berries and someone suddenly shows up saying that I should eat berries because berries are good for me, and after a long discussion they suddenly say that they meant bananas the whole time, because it's technically a berry, that person is full of shit.

[tree_and_leaf]

Perfectly legal in much of Europe, too.