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[ SECRET POST #5036 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5036 ⌋

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No idea where this is coming from or what it means

If someone wants to date men, they can actually date men these days. Or they can go out and find butch women, who must be out there somewhere, because they always show up in the “women like this don’t exist” threads to assert their existence.

OP, could you unpack what you mean by, "woman written like a man"?

Because when I read those books Thursday just seemed kinda, no-nonsense and down-to-business, and I know a lot of women like that, so.

Could you give an example of what you mean?

Well, see, the author has a man's name, so...

"What about Thursday Next comes across as mannish?"

DA

Obviously, Wednesday is a girls name so Thursday /must/ be a boys! The Addams Family have never lied to me.

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(Anonymous) - 2020-10-20 08:01 (UTC) - Expand

I have only read one of the books (and it was very long ago, so forgive me), but I don't understand?

Is this like some... "If a woman is pragmatic and not emotional all the time she's not feminine enough!" type thing?

No, not at all. Kinsey Milhone is pragmatic and not particularly emotional or feminine and she's still all woman.

Thursday Next just does not come across as a woman in the any way. I've read a handful of books by men who try to write a female character like this and they end up coming across as being somewhere between no-gender and male instead.

So the answer is 'yes' on he misogyny angle.

What does "all woman" mean, in this context? Like, what are some key ways in which these two characters differ one can point to when saying that one is more womanly?

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(Anonymous) - 2020-10-20 14:36 (UTC) - Expand

I'm nonbinary so maybe I just don't know shit about women, but she definitely comes across as a woman to me.

So you're a misogynist? 'Cause nothing about a 'woman who's essentially a man' is an actual thing.

Don't be disingenuous. Male writers do this all the time, along with the "woman who is a blow up doll" trope, and pointing this out is not misogynist.

Don't be sexist. A human being portrayed like an object is unrealistic and wrong. A human being portrayed as acting in a non-stereotypical way is a great thing. It strikes you as odd because you're used to women being stereotypically feminine. Or perhaps you're stereotypically feminine yourself and you find that personally relatable, and you can't compreghend the fact that butch women find something else ralatable.

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(Anonymous) - 2020-10-20 12:44 (UTC) - Expand

Yeah, nah. Just because you hate women who are insufficiently feminine for your tastes doesn't mean those women are "essentially men".

As I said when this was posted in the 'make my secret for me' thread - what the actual fuck do you even mean by this? It's so completely nonsensical.

I was considerably more disappointed to realize an author who complained about fanfic was essentially writing a giant crossover fanfic starring his OCs and decided I didn't feel like reading past the first book.

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I'd enjoyed the first book well enough, but then he had his rant about fanfiction and I was just like... have you not read the book you wrote? Turned me off of continuing.

I had never heard of this guy and so I did a quick google and yeah, um, there's a high horse here. Sure, he only uses characters in the public domain outside of the main character. He's writing fan fic with an OC but can get away publishing it b/c the character's he's using are out of copyright.

That type of attitude tends to turn me off to the writer in general. I think the entirety of 12 fanfics on the pit of voles kind of says everything. (There's 47 on AO3.) So, it doesn't seem like he's made much of an impression book wise in fandom awareness.

Agreed, totally.

so a gender flipped self insert?

So many men have such a difficult time writing women as people. Having not read the books I can't say if this guy is one of them. There are a lot of different type of women. I get tired of "writing a woman who is stoic and assertive" being used as short hand for "strong female character."

i know what you mean broadly, but yeah as long as its not so "im not like other girls" i love those characters because they think like me.

for people who don't think they exist, the context is usually clear by the dynamic with the other characters, that this is the way the author thinks interesting girls act. it's especially annoying when almost all the other female characters are tropes of a more feminine sort AND the implication is that the occupation of the main character is suited to her because she isn't those other girls

I've just finished rereading the books myself and though I love them, this time around I did go in with a critical eye looking at the female lead. I didn't think she was too bad? But sometimes it did feel like he was trying that bit too hard, especially later on.

Slightly disappointed to read his stance on fanfic above though :(

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