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[ SECRET POST #722 ]

⌈ Secret Post #722 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Death Note/The Dark Knight]

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[Axis Powers Hetalia]

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[Lucky Star OVA]

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[The Monkees]

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[Jason Mraz]

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[Final Fantasy VI]

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[SpongeBob SquarePants/Homestar Runner - Squilliam/Strong Bad]

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Secrets Left to Post: 16 pages, 382 secrets from Secret Submission Post #103.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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I think his point is that the whining is going about it the wrong way.

Think about it, what's more effective: Complaining annoymously to the people on the internet you've never met, thus giving the movie MORE publicity than it already has; or shutting up, pretending it doesn't exisit and not going to see it? At least with the second choice, you a) take money away from their box office gross, increasing the chance that they'll tank; and b) don't give them any more attention than they already have, which means that less people will be inclined or tempted to see it, also decreasing their box office gross.

Seriously, talk is cheap, and the only thing that Hollywood types understand is money.

Complaining on the internet is useful because it attracts attention to the issue. Complaining to media outlets is even more useful, as the last thing Paramount Pictures wants is headlines and features about their racist casting policies. Complaining to Paramount itself is useful, because yes, the only thing they understand is money, and if it becomes clear to them that people won't support this nonsense financially then maybe they'll reconsider their plans.

Silence is pretty much the least useful thing that anyone can do, actually!

Your first comment is wrong: Complaining on the internet is useLESS, unless it is properly directed. Ranting brainlessly on your blog to repeat the same thing that somebody else said five minutes ago is just annoying your F-List and makes you look like a brat. Complaints must be properly directed, or they don't do any good.

Did you miss the part about the letter-writing campaign? I have no idea why you think this is taking place on a few people's flists in isolation.

There really is such a thing as "buzz." I mean, obviously ranting about something incoherently on your LJ that no one reads isn't helpful, but commenting on the EW.com page certainly was, and writing essays that other people end up liking to is, and being thoughtful and articulate and angry in well-trafficked fandom hangouts is. I'm sure folks at Paramount and Nickelodeon are Googling for casting reactions like crazy.

It's a small thing, but it's still something. Anything that keeps people talking about it and thinking about it is good, even if some ways of doing so are more immediately helpful than others.

From my experience in the entertainment industry, the googling is exactly what their interns are doing, AND they do look for reactions and want to know what the fans think. -I know at least with the studio that does Venture Brothers, (I interned there, as have few other fans near the studio), they like to know what fans think.

There's even the artists from the show on Deviant Art.

Who says you can't do both? Nothing wrong with ranting, we all need to rant sometimes. And you have the added bonus of getting feedback and input from other people that you can use in your official complaints.

And like other people said, this is a huge campaign, not a few people talking about it here and there.

That's what I mean. It's being directed. This a good thing. It will get things done. I wish the entire campaign success.

But I'm sorry, I don't want to hear people ranting about it AGAIN, and neither does the secret-poster. If everybody else gets the chance to rant, why not OP?

But I'm sorry, I don't want to hear people ranting about it AGAIN, and neither does the secret-poster

Then well don't. You can rant about it but you can't expect others to shut up about it even if it is what you and the OP want. The burden is on you to find ways to avoid it, not for everyone to shut up and cater to your or the OP's whims. So you're tired of it and find it annoying, so WHAT, obviously other people don't, so if it bothers you that much just avoid it. It really is no skin off your nose.

Except that they're individual personal blogs, and even if you were right, one of the purposes of my blog, at least, is for me to vent about things which have frustrated me or piss me off. So yeah, I'm sure for some people, "whining" about it again on their blog is good, because it keeps from from punching a hole in their wall or shaking the next person who says something vaguely racist in real life until their eyes roll around in their head.

So even pretending for a moment that LJ posts can't really raise any awareness, they're still not useless, and even if they were, what people say in their own personal journals is their own business. People who don't like it are, I'm sure, free to scroll past, filter them, defriend them, or ignore them. In the end, you're defending someone who's being a whiny entitled douche, because how dare people write in their own journals about things the OP doesn't want to read about anymore? Or how dare they have their own posts in fandom communities where they can talk about these things together? How dare they care so much about something s/he is perfectly happy being complicit with?

YES YES YES. This is it exactly.

I wasn't even interested in Avatar until I read a few angry blog posts about the casting thing. Now I'm pissed off too, and I've been telling other people about it. That's called negative word-of-mouth, and it's the last thing the studio wants. Whining on the Internet can be helpful!

Bonus: I'm really into Avatar now. :D

Lots of writers and directors watch the internet boards and blogs for gossip about their movie. Some even send out false information to misdirect fans from the real content of the film (the last X-Files movie was ACE at this, BTW).

Not saying it happens with every fandom, but it does happen.

Think about it, what's more effective: Complaining annoymously to the people on the internet you've never met, thus giving the movie MORE publicity than it already has; or shutting up, pretending it doesn't exisit and not going to see it?

The first choice that's more effective. The second way the movie tanks for no reason anyone knows, and the studio assumes it's because fantasy's on the way out or something. Or maybe they figure the problem was they didn't have more teenybopper stars in it. Certainly not that anybody cared that they made all the characters white.

The first way it's known that people who were interested in the movie to begin with are offended by the whitewashing, there's an actual discussion about whitewashing somewhere (as opposed to it being done a lot and nobody cares), AND when people don't go to see the movie that's known as a possible reason for it.

I really don't think talking about how the cast is white is going to be tempting too many people to go see the movie or that that kind of attention is going to help them. There's no reason to assume that somebody who talks about the problem on the Internet will then go see the movie, while somebody who couldn't care less if the characters are white (or justifies it on the Internet) will stay home.

"I really don't think talking about how the cast is white is going to be tempting too many people to go see the movie or that that kind of attention is going to help them."

What about the people who've never heard of Avatar, who decide to go see the movie because they want to see what everybody's shitting themselves over? What about the people who weren't going to see the movie, but decide to do it for the lulz, like with Twilight? What about the people who would actually prefer the movie to be completely white (coughStormFrontbastardscough) and support it because of that?

Indirected ranting does no good. DIRECTED complaints, on the other hand, do wonders. Big difference.

You're talking about the asshats of society. Nothing would stop THEM except for a straight jacket. Decent people, with their priorities straight? I don't think they'd be stupid enough to support a racist movie just to see it with their own eyes; the glossies and newspapers and INTERNET BLOGS will show them plenty.

What about the people who've never heard of Avatar, who decide to go see the movie because they want to see what everybody's shitting themselves over?

I don't think there's so many of those people that it cancels out the negative by a longshot. I just don't think this kind of discussion would inspire some army of people willing to pay 11 dollars for a movie just because they heard the casting was considered racist by a lot of people. That really doesn't sound like much of a risk at all to this. Same with the virulently racist audience who would go to see a movie simply because the characters were changed to white and people complained. That just seems like deciding to tacitly approve of what was done because you're afraid of something that's really not a realistic threat.

These are directed complaints.

People who want to see something "for the lulz" can download it off the internet for free.

That's certainly what I'm going to do.

Missing the point of http://aang-aint-white.livejournal.com/ much? If your FList is going about it as aimlessly as you make it sound, I suggest you point them to there. Oh, and stop bitching about how they're doing it wrong without suggesting more effective alternatives, plzkthx.

What about the people who've never heard of Avatar, who decide to go see the movie because they want to see what everybody's shitting themselves over?

I think those people do what I do and watch the anime.

You can complain to people on the internet and convince formerly apathetic fans who WOULD otherwise see the movie just because it's their fandom, to NOT see it. I'm confused why you assume people who are disgusted by the casting and who are inspiring other people around them to find out about and be disgusted by the casting have any desire to see the movie. Ever.

Complaining =/= giving Hollywood money, that's a huge fallacy. And sitting idly by while something offensive gets done and NOT saying anything and assuming that will keep people from giving money to the movie of a hugely popular television series is irresponsible and lazy, not a smart way of boycotting. Boycotts need to be vocal to mean anything. And yes, when they're vocal, they give attention to whatever it is they're boycotting - but that doesn't automatically mean it's the good kind of attention. That's all dependent on the people reacting to the boycott and the letter writing and the spreading awareness, and how THEY behave from there. Not on the people who have made the effort to spread awareness about something they find horrifying. Really, all they can do is be as convincing as possible, and from there, the reaction is out of their hands.

*friends back crazyfast* :D

*comment replaced because I can't edit and this keyboard hates me*

NOT ALL ATTENTION IS GOOD ATTENTION. Especially when there's loads and loads of cash concerned.

I'm willing to bet that the bad attention fandom is giving this movie is going to do more good than ignoring it ever will. Hell, just about ANYTHING does more good than looking away when something bad is happening.

Boycotting the movie and not giving them more money for movie-tickets is a good idea, I'll give you that. But shutting up about it is not how you organise a boycott. Many people needs to boycott it if it's going to make any difference in their pockets and for that to happen, you need to raise awareness which you can only do by :gasp!: talking about it!

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