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⌈ Secret Post #728 ⌋

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101.

[Tsubasa]

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103.

[Miss Pettigrew Lives For a Day]

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[Zap!]

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[Smash Bros; Snake/Samus]

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[Britannia High]

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[Yume de Aetara-- UchanNanchan & DownTown]

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[Fallout 3/James (Dad)]

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[Pokemon, Beyblade]

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[The Brothers Grimm]

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[Yuki Kajiura and Revo]

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[Natural Born Killers]

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[Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian (Movieverse)]

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[The Soup]

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[Saturday Night Live]

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[Wall-E]

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[Dr Who]

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[Samurai Warriors 2]

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[Mulan]

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[Stargate Atlantis]

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[Touhou / One Piece]

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[Outnumbered]

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[Saiyuki / Utena]

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[Cat and Girl (webcomic)]

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[Life]

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[Michelle Trachtenberg]

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[The Covenant/Steven Strait]

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[Rita Skeeter (Harry Potter)]

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[Where The Wild Things Are movie]

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[Pete Townshend/The Who]

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No you can't, because your full attention won't be on mouth, eye, body language. The dialogue was made to be heard, and a lot depends on how something is said...you don't get the full amount of meaning that a speaker of the language would.

I don't know why it's so hard just to rewatch it raw. You still won't get the full meaning but it's the closest thing to a good dub.

Um, I do. I'm not receiving less information than I do with dubs, which for some series I watch both. I find no difference. I can spot the small things with subs as well as dubs.

In fact, I think line delivery can be damaged with dubs more often than not because they try to match with the lip flaps than worried with delivery.

Read faster.

Reading fast is just as bad as reading slow, and reading at any speed doesn't make a difference when the words you are reading aren't matched up to what is being said at that second (and this is almost always since in Japan they have a different sentence structure). Faster reading =/= good quality understanding of the action and dialogue. (though I suppose if the subtitles are wordy then reading fast might give you a chance to glance at the action between lines)

Honestly, try watching something in English subbed (just turn on subtitles on a DVD, for example) and see how much meaning you lose by reading it, as opposed to seeing/hearing things as they occur.

Dubs aren't always perfect but a good dub is the closest thing to how it is meant to be seen.

I don't know about you, but I can match up the words just fine. It's not a hard thing for me to do. Once you actually used to the subtitles, it comes a second nature that you don't notice it and match the word from word. It's a nifty thing called adaptation.

Actually I avoid dubs because most dubs lose the emotional impact or get too concerned of fitting the translation around the lip flaps than delivery. That and I abhor when they HAVE to adopt bad accents. And did I tell you that I do for some shows where I actually like the dub and I see no difference between the two. Actually, I find myself too distracted by dubs more than subs.

Also, if you're going to say what is meant to be seen in what way, subs are the ones closest to dubs because it doesn't have to be alter to fit the lip flaps and anime, believe it or not, made to be heard in Japanese, with the exception of ones that were made for English audiences because they build the dialog and lipflaps around their language.

Stop trying to force something that was in your experience as fact.

Also, I boggle how hearing the dialog is any different from reading it when they both are different from Japanese.

No you can't match up the words, unless you read the English words out of order without even glancing at any words which haven't been said yet. If you do...well. Good for you I guess, most people watching subs don't do that. You still might have issues with splitting your attention, but if you absolutely can't stand to watch the raw then whatever. It's only an extra 20 minutes, I don't know why it's such a big deal.

The dialogue was made to be heard in Japanese. That's why dubs aren't perfect, but at least you're still hearing the dialogue in English/Spanish/whatever as opposed to reading it in English/Spanish/whatever. Unless it is a film made specifically for the hearing impaired, the dialogue is meant to be heard.

Dubs can at least attempt to capture delivery and meaning in the spoken words, even if you and I both know they don't always succeed (that's why I will say good dub...a bad dub is no better, and often worse, than even a mediocre sub)...subs couldn't do it, since they are using an entirely different means of communication.

What? The dub is out of order too by your logic. No more than the written dialog, hell, some official subs have the same exact dialog sometimes.

Let me tell you a story:

My family went to see the Passion of the Christ. My aunt had been worried all day since the movie was subtitled. So we went and watched it. After the movie, I asked if she was okay, and she told me a funny observation. At first, she was switching between the screen and dialog, but about 30 minutes into the movie, she realized that she was watching the screen and dialog at the same time, she can actually seen the screen and read it.

Say what you want, it doesn't make it true for anyone. I watched a good amount of series about sub and dub and I didn't miss anything new. It might be for you, for certainty not for me.

I'm done because obviously you have to be right.

In the dub, hopefully, they are adjusting the tone and inflection to convey the proper meaning of each word, and knowing which word was originally said where doesn't matter as much. In the sub, you are attempting to understand tone and inflection from the spoken dialogue, getting the meaning from the subtitles...but what you are reading and what is being said come in different orders.

I'm not trying to be right, but if you think subs give all the same information and meaning as a dub, why do you think the talkie was ever invented?

Same can go for subtitles, I mean you don't need to be a translator to fit the dialog in. I rather go for the correct dialog than a dialog that has been tailor for speaking than conveying the story.

Convenience and/or for the hell of it, but it doesn't make it better. I had said that everyone can't do it, and you might be that one of them. Don't lump me in it because I can see and read the screen with no problems, even on a movie that is pure eye sex as any Satoshi Kon movies and I watch them subtitle and not missing a beat.

This is the point you keep on missing. You can go ahead and don't believe in it, but it happens. And if they process differently, one doesn't process better than the other for every person. Never think you could be an aural learner? Well, I'm a visual one so I tend to process and remember subs better than dubs.

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Over and over, "No, you can't"?

You can't. She can. Deal with it. Your experiences don't top her experiences, and because you can't do it doesn't mean it's impossible. It just means for some reason you can't do it.

For the record? I can do it too. It's easy for me.

You read the English words on the bottom at the same time the Japanese word is being said, even though they are in two totally different orders? Good for you, I guess.

It doesn't change the fact that it is an aural medium and the dialogue was not meant to be read.

Also honestly, I am not a real elitist and I don't want to tell anyone that they are enjoying their Japanese cartoons WRONG or whatever. I hate those people as much as anyone. If you're happy with less meaning, then I don't care really. But it the dialogue is made to be heard.

I guess I'm happy with whatever existing special (and non-existant) meaning you're going on about. Obviously it seems whatever you experience is the truth, I guess.

I prefer to watch practically everything I can with English subtitles on. Since I'm not really an anime fan, and I don't watch a lot of foreign films, I mean I watch English-language television and movies with English subtitles. This is in case my auditory processing fails and I can't understand the dialogue. (Or, you know, the actors mumble or whatever.)

I started doing that while catching up on the New Who Doctor Who DVDs, because I'm Canadian and struggled to understand all the various accents. I hated it at first...and eventually got to love it so much that while watching the most recent series (my first time watching as it aired) I found myself pining for the DVD subtitles. I've found that I follow most things BETTER with subtitles on because they allow me to relax and stop straining not to miss any dialogue.

I don't actually have an auditory processing disorder (that I'm aware of), but I'm really not very good at taking in auditory information. In the past, I've found narration to be the absolute worst - trying to follow narration AND the on-screen action is far, far more difficult for me than just reading it off the subtitles.

Hell, in the past I've had to back up DVDs and look at the floor in order to be able to follow narration or some of the dialogue. So forgive me if I think that your argument about subs leading people to miss stuff on the screen is laughable from a personal perspective.

It IS possible to read and watch the screen at the same time. You don't lose much, if anything. And if I sense I've missed a nuance of facial expression or whatever, I just back up the DVD slightly, re-watch and proceed. Most of the time, what's happening on screen is not so intimate that it matters, though. And you can miss things even without subtitles - people do it all the time. ("Oooh, I never noticed the look on his face when she says that line!" Etc.)

I agree with what's being said: if you can't follow the subs and the screen at the same time, read faster! If you know what the dialogue is GOING to be, you can, you know, apply that knowledge in CONTEXT as you watch. Isn't that the point of watching a dubbed version and then the Japanese?

You might be my boyfriends mother, she's Canadian and turns the subs on anything. Knowing what is going to be said before it is actually said, is, imho, the worst part about subs. I read words as quickly as I see them, and when the subs are on it's hard to ignore them and just enjoy the dialogue like I was really hearing it.

If it makes you happy and if you honestly can't stand not having subtitles that's fine, but you can't deny that the dialogue was made to be heard and processed aurally, and even if you don't think you are missing anything, it can't hurt to go back and rewatch it properly just in case.

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