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⌈ Secret Post #729 ⌋

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I've been reading this conversation with interest. Not here to reply point for point, cause your sparring partner here is already doing an excellent job. However, your posts did raise in my mind the idea of presumed intentions. Because even if your intention in telling a joke is ironic, your listeners cannot be certain of that.

For the person of colour who hears the joke that means they may give you the benefit of the doubt, but they're also aware of your voice contributing to a culture that normalises negative prejudices and wraps them up as 'humour' as a preventative against allowing them the option of response. (Cause nobody wants to be a killjoy, right?)

The other thing - which creeps me the hell out and would be reason enough to stop me ever telling a racist joke even if I didn't already think such humour was never worth it - is the fact that you can't ever be 100% sure your audience are all listening ironically. Take a group of five people who enjoy sharing "ironic" racist humour. Now add a sixth. He tells the same jokes, he laughs the same way, he meshes with the group really well. The difference is, he genuinely hates people of colour and believes every prejudiced stereotype, and you know what? He thinks the others are all on his side.

That's why such things as race jokes and the like are only told in private company with close friends. You may argue that my friends are only going along with it just because, then that's either an issue of: 1) I don't know my friends as well as I should, and/or 2) they're not being as honest as they should. And these issues are ones relating to friendship more than race jokes. If they're not honest about what offends them, how am I to know that? And then you might tell me not to take that risk, but anything can offend anyone. To completely avoid offending anyone ever is a futile task.

But then you point out that race jokes carry a high risk of offending people, in which case I respond that I'm going to take that risk in appropriate company. They make me laugh, and I want to honestly share my humor, so if I don't have to censor myself, I won't. As with all things friend-related, it's a small leap of faith. I believe I know my friends. I believe that they will find it funny. And I believe that if they don't, they'll make their displeasure known. If these things don't happen, then there's something wrong with the friendship itself.

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