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⌈ Secret Post #729 ⌋

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Wait a second, just wait a fucking second. I have the nerve to try and accept myself. I'm not putting ANYONE down on purpose (except for those who would put me down). If you look above, I've said that SIZE DOESN'T MATTER. It's how you treat people. I don't care what size someone else is, but if you treat me like shit I'll do the same to you.

And you know what? Right now I'm too pissed off to care about privilege or anything like that. I don't see you talking to the anons who are making their side look bad. You've actually presented your argument logically and calmly - and politely as well.

I am a woman, and a minority, and therefore in some of the marginalized groups. Excuse me for not being in a third and trying to accept myself regardless of what body type I am. And frankly, I'm agreeing with the person above now. Maybe that's wrong of me, but right now? I've largely stopped caring. Maybe when I've cooled down I'll take another look at this.

Sorry if I'm being rude, I'm just tired of shit like the above. (Icon is also not directed at you.)

Edited 2009-01-04 19:46 (UTC)

(same anon as the one to whom your post replied)

You're clearly quite angry about this, and I don't want to push you into talking about this any more if you would rather walk away, cause I don't want to be causing anyone Internet aggravation. But if you do feel like coming back to this, I'd be really interested to understand why you're so angry about this, because I don't quite get it.

You see, I think I can understand the cross-communication and the anger than led to the "Examine your privilege" post above. The original secret makes a point that probably most people would agree with about it being wrong to exclude any kind of body type from what constitutes a 'Real Woman'. But then she tags on the rider "Try being equal to skinny people".

I suspect that that triggered a lot of people. Because, as I was trying to explain above, I don't think I have ever seen a post about how under-represented or maligned heavier women are in the media without the thread being taken over by people going "what about the skinny people"?

I'm not saying that was what the OP was doing, but I can see how people would assume that it was the same-old same-old reverse-sizism they've seen before. It's a trigger phrase, like "some of my best friends are black".

So while it might actually be not what anyone intended at all, when the OP says "you're all hypocrites", and when you say "Fuck them all", people who have had the "what about skinny people" line used on them when they try to discuss anti-fat issues may hear it as an attack on them.

I think maybe it's because I don't know who these people are that both you and the OP of the secret are attacking. The people who are happy to see women of different sizes get roles are not synonymous with the group of people who attack people for being thin. (Pointing out that thinner people are treated better is not attacking thin people). Who is, exactly, that you mean when you say "fuck them all"?

I don't see you talking to the anons who are making their side look bad

I only replied to the post I did reply to because there seemed to be a breakdown in communicateion about what was meant by privilege, is all. There're lots of posts on both sides that I don't get or don't agree with, but I thought I might actually have something to offer in response to that one.

Yes. Yes, I am angry. I've been struggling with an anorexic mindset for years, and I've been trying very hard to just accept myself. This bullshit? Not helping. I meant that it doesn't matter what size we are, that we should be allowed to accept ourselves regardless of it and not come under attack.

And I'm not purposely attacking anyone. I think certain people who feel they're being attacked need to take off their Victim Hats for two fucking seconds. I'm sick of this bullshit. Yes, my wording was ambiguous (I knew what I meant, others didn't). I've also, if you haven't noticed, conceded points that other people have made. I have not been unreasonable. I'm just... I'm sorry, but shit like the above and below is what makes me not want to listen to them.

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