[ SECRET POST #5082 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5082 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Xander as a character has not aged well in the slightest.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, neither did the guy he was based on.

[(Anonymous)]

??? Who was he based on??

[(Anonymous)]

Joss Whedon

[(Anonymous)]

Oh god. Please don't tell me Xander was Joss Whedon's self-insert. That's unbelievably fucking gross given Xander's constant lusting after Buffy, and makes him even more of a shitheel than I thought he was.

[(Anonymous)]

According to Joss Whedon, Xander was Whedon in high school, only cooler. (source: Joss Whedon's audio commentary on the BtVS Season 1 DVDs)

[(Anonymous)]

YIKES

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a degree to which some of Xander's character flaws were deliberate and were intended as low-key commentary about how guys can be dicks to women because of their own fragile egos. But I don't think he was held nearly accountable enough for his bullshit. I think the narrative was much more tolerant of it than it should've been. Like, Xander's shittiness was regarded as a character flaw, but I don't think it was regarded as the kind of character flaw he needed to change if he wanted to deserve the friendship of women.

[(Anonymous)]

The moment where I soured on Xander forever was in the end of s2 where he doesn't tell Buffy that they're trying to get Angel's soul back (I believe that's how it plays out, I didn't look it up and I could be misremembering). Just felt like such an awful selfish betrayal that the show never really made right.

I did like him with Anya but that's mostly because Anya is just cute as a button.

[philstar22]

Yup, same with me. And then, he had the audacity to be mad at Buffy for going to fight Anya in season 7, a complete and utter double standard. Because Anya was a girl, and Angel was a man, so it was completely different somehow, even though at the time of each incident they were both a villain and a danger who needed to be stopped. And Buffy was actually going after Angel and had no problem with that, unlike Xander, she just dared to have mixed feelings about the man she used to love and still did.

[(Anonymous)]

i think it was demonstrably obvious that buffy had a LOT of problems with that tbh

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - Yeah, that was really, really shitty, and in that case it just feels weird that it was never properly addressed. I feels like it was very much meant to come up later, and then just never did. Which is weird, because if there's one thing Buffy was pretty decent at, it was continuity (for a 90s show, it was A+ at continuity).

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. And, in light of the comments above, that I think it was a case of a JW aiming for 'look how cool and in favor of equality I am', but falling far short and actually just revealing how much of a dick he is instead, with absolutely no self-awareness.