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fandomsecrets2009-01-08 04:54 pm
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[ SECRET POST #734 ]
⌈ Secret Post #734 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 082 secrets from Secret Submission Post #105.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - repeat ], [ 1 - personal attack ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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(Anonymous) 2009-01-08 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)105. *yawn*
113. fandomsecrets has now become SEX SECRETS.
...whatever.
114. seriously. people read those long stories just to get to the sex. they love the long, emo, angsty build up for the supposed mind-blowing sex.
121. and they said hetalia fans didn't take their fandom so seriously. haaaaaaahahahhahaha
123. in a heartbeat, I would.
125. they are. for real.
126. agreed.
129. sad that this even has to be a secret. I do it all the time and it's nothing to be ashamed of.
139. wow, shallow much?
152. yet all the hetalia supporters wank on about how it's not supposed to be taken so seriously as a history source. what happened to it being a great story because it pokes fun at country stereotypes?
could you fans please make up your mind?
153. so?
168. have you tried looking into Live Journal communities?
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(Anonymous) 2009-01-08 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)Yeah, it's hard to make accurate blanket statements about all you Hetalia fans when you have all these *different reasons* for liking the series. Hivemind moar, plz.
Re: 152
(Anonymous) 2009-01-09 12:06 am (UTC)(link)There a lot of Hetalia fans and everyone has his own statement for liking the comic, so don´t expect a "hivemind answer", it doesn´t prove anything.
It´s fun to discuss with someone who doesn´t share same interests with you, nothing like a different point of view to make you appreciate what you like or to start questioning yourself about your likings. It´s not fun anymore when someone judges and makes fun of you and all your fellow fans by not making "accurate blanket statements" for liking the series. Again, it doesn´t prove anything.
It´s all about having fun and respect people.
My English is not the best around but I hope you get my point.
Re: 152
(Anonymous) 2009-01-09 01:12 am (UTC)(link)I don't know about you, but when I see someone supporting racism and fetishization, I'm going to say that's not okay.
Re: 152
(Anonymous) 2009-01-09 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)Re: 152
(Anonymous) 2009-01-09 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)'Offensive' is a very subjective term, so I can't address whatever it is you mean by that, but I also don't think you can accuse Hetalia of being 'racist'. Hetalia goes out of its way to show the good qualities of every country along with the bad ones. You can say it's biased towards Europe, but that's because it was originally about the World Wars, and countries that had little/nothing to do with that aren't included yet - big deal. The author is adding in new countries all the time, it's not like the character list is static. There aren't just white characters, either, which is another protest people are fond of making. Just because you never bother to even GLANCE at Hetalia before hating on it, doesn't mean that Cuba, Egypt and Seychelles (ooh, what do you know, another girl who can stand up for herself perfectly well!) don't exist.
Hetalia is not breeding racism in the masses, by the way. Plenty of the fandom are becoming MORE interested in other cultures after reading Hetalia, and the way the countries are depicted – as being answerable to their leader, whether they agree with them or not (for example, Germany being forced to annex Austria against his will) – leads people to a greater appreciation that no country, no body of citizens is bad – but they can have bad leaders, which are what you should be hating. For all the outsider bashing, Hetalia is inspiring just the OPPOSITE of what you accuse it of being.
And...fetishization? I don't even know what you MEAN by that. Apart from occasional innuendo, there's no sex in Hetalia, and beyond a couple of exceptions (the marriage between Austria and Hungary, for instance), the countries don't enter into romantic relationships with each other.
Or are you another one of those people getting butthurt about the kink meme? A kink meme is a kink meme, they all have weird stuff in them, and it's hardly a good way to judge a whole fandom. Plus, the countries in Hetalia are characters before they're countries - they're distinct people with distinct appearances and personalities, and requesting a rape scene between Japan and China isn't any different from asking to see any other two characters in any other fandom in a rape scene. People have rape fantasies; deal with it. Maybe there are genuinely sick people on the meme, but, as I said earlier, you find that in EVERY KINK MEME FOR EVERY FANDOM, it's hardly something specific to Hetalia.
Either way, it seems to me like you've just jumped on the 'Hetalia-hate' bandwagon without even bothering to look at what you're getting offended about. If you're offended by it supposedly 'making light' of war, I suggest you go and protest about shows like 'Allo 'Allo as well. And as for it being racist and sexist, well, you would maybe understand why it isn't, IF you bothered to examine further than 'ONOES A COMIC ABOUT REAL LIFE COUNTRIES AS PEOPLE, THIS IS A TRAVESTY !!!!11!!1!'.
The amazing thing about all of this wank is that it comes from outside the fandom. The fandom is a welcoming place where people respect each other; there are no ‘shipping wars’ or ‘canon vs. fanon’ arguments or anything like that. All of this points directly to the fact that the haters…are probably not getting the picture, here. One dodgy request on a kink meme does not a rabid fandom make, and you can whine about how ‘offensive, racist and sexist’ Hetalia is all you like, but fandoms for books and shows that are ACTUALLY offensive in how they portray war get none of this shit.
It’s time people grew up; I can understand perfectly well if people don’t like Hetalia – maybe they don’t like the art, or they don’t think it’s funny, or they just aren’t interested – but using flimsy excuses like ‘oh well it’s obviously sexist’ – when it really isn’t – doesn’t cut it.
Re: 152
(Anonymous) 2009-01-09 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)For the sake of comprehension, I won´t "attack" your statements. I really want to understand your feeling or POV towards the series.
I understand it could be offensive to some people to see their countries portrayed as people, but "blatantly racist and sexist"? I don`t see it, please point me what causes you to write that, I can´t recall any strip with those characteristics. Yeah, I feel I´m being a little bit annoying asking you to quote a strip but the series is made of those and one of those must have offend you to say that.
I do not support racism, sexism or fetishism, I am just enjoying a comic a guy made, which you find racist and that I want to understand the reason because, as I wrote, I do not recall any strip being such a thing.
Fetishization? I guess that is something erhh... too private/ to each his own? I looked for definitions around the internet and I do not want to quote the sites and make you bored with a huge comment about this disorder. Do you say it because of the uniforms? or because of the many fangirls who ship a personified country and say "this guy is so hot/smexy/whatever"? or because of something else I am not taking on count? As I see it, something becomes a fetish in the eyes of an individual. Then, what can be considered as a fetish by a person, it may not be for another one. I guess this "fetishization" depends of each person and can lead to a big discussion about the nature of fetishism (is it bad?), which will be the root of the issue. Personally, I don´t think it´s wrong/bad, to each his own as long as it doesn´t hurt someone else in any way.
I know you don´t know about me, but when I see something supporting an idea I do not share, I try to talk to this person to understand his/her motives and if this person have solid motives then I respect his/her POV but if this person do not have them I try to reason about them with him/her so we can reach a conclusion together.
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(Anonymous) 2009-01-08 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)168 OP
(Anonymous) 2009-01-09 04:03 am (UTC)(link)