[ SECRET POST #734 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #734 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Arwin/"The Suite Life of Zack and Cody"]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 082 secrets from Secret Submission Post #105.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - repeat ], [ 1 - personal attack ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

in which I talktalktalk ._.

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Thank you, too. I'm always glad to be able to have a discussion with someone who may not completely agree with me, but where we can both get through it all without resorting to namecalling, low shots, and other such wank. It's nice.

Yeah, it actually really makes me sad to see how many people are responding to people who are honestly upset with things like "GET OVER IT." I like to think that the reason so many of the people here are responding like that is because the sane ones have gotten all their reasonable stuff out back when the wank was shiny and new and just aren't participating anymore, or never did to begin with. Or that some of them are overreacting even to understandable secrets by kneejerking and going "AUGH WE KNOW OKAY STOP TRYING TO MAKE US FEEL LIKE BAD PEOPLE" even when that isn't the intent. I know I overreacted in one post, back when the more insensitive comments from Hetalia fans were just starting and I was tired of the secrets saying they looked down on the whole fandom, and I wish I hadn't -- it's just too easy to feel attacked even when you're not being attacked, and more people need to calm down and realize this, me included sometimes.

And yeah, those people irritate me way too much, too. Especially the attitude that the people who are offended are just being offended to be cool or for attention or something. If someone's offended by something, it's a visceral reaction, not something they can help. Even if it was a nonsensical reaction, which in the case of people who are offended by Hetalia, I'd say it's 99% of the time not, just saying "GET OVER IT" isn't going to help anything and it's incredibly just... wrong. They're worse than the people judging the fandom.

On a semi-related note, I feel really bad for all the flack the South African anon got, but I have to admit that secret rubbed me wrong in some ways and I only hope I explained it well enough back there. She really didn't need to put up with that BS from the fandom, but I think she was overreacting -- not in that she was offended by the series, but that I assume she had not read the series, not by the fact that she was offended but by some of the assumptions she was making as to what her character would have been like (especially the blonde hair and blue eyes bit). That alone again wouldn't be reasons to call overreaction, but I honestly feel bad for the fact that she was making a ton of assumptions for something that hadn't happened yet and might not ever happen, and was so distressed over them. She was painting a worse picture in her head than canon was giving her, and was really upsetting herself over that, and for her own sake I wish she wouldn't -- it's just a little too unnecessary to be tearing herself up over, when she's making most of it up in her own head. But she certainly doesn't need to "get over" anything, because it's totally understandable distress that she's certain that the series would be making fun of tragedy in her country's history, and almost all of the responses to her were completely out of line.

For her sake, I hope that her country is introduced, and she is one of the kickass females of the series.

Re: in which I talktalktalk ._.

[(Anonymous)]

I really was very ambivalent to Hetalia, and when the hater secrets started, I didn't really pay much attention... but then when the responses began to get into the "GET OVER IT" and "BOO HOO YOUR COUNTRY WAS OPPRESSED WELL MINE WASN'T SO I DON'T CARE" and "WHY IS EVERYONE MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS", then Hetaliafandom, as it's represented here anyway, really began to make me uncomfortable. Those responses were indicative of a trend of ignoring racism/sexism/offensive material and then belittling people for being offended by it, and that bothers me a great deal.

It is easy to feel attacked, that's true, but I think one of the paradoxes of Hetalia fandom is that when someone brings up the fact that there is something in Hetalia fandom that they find offensive (in a way, that they feel "attacked" by an offensive portrayal of some kind), Hetalia fans (at least here) then view that as an attack against them personally. There's this trend to respond to "I feel attacked by Hetalia because [blank]" with "WELL I FEEL ATTACKED BECAUSE YOU ARE OFFENDED AND YOU ARE MAKING ME FEEL BAD" which isn't the same thing. On one hand, you have someone offended on behalf of their country/nationality/race/gender, and on the other, you have someone offended because they feel like they should be ashamed of their fandom. These two things are definitely not equivalent, and I think this dichotomy is contributing to the vitriol between Hetaliahaters and Hetaliafen. I don't think either side really understands where the other is coming from, so it's easier to slip into wankbait type attacks from both sides. I also think privilege plays a part in this, but that might be going off on a tangent...

I think South African anon definitely had a point, and her rage at the treatment of UK in the fandom given what it did to her and other countries was totally justified, but I think she expressed it a little poorly. The way I read her secret, it seems like she went from something that annoyed her to blind rage by the end of it (thus the allcaps FUCK YOU when it kind of started calmly), and she probably just listed some trends in Hetalia (exaggerated for the sake of hyperbole I assume) that irritated her the most as she got angrier. At least, that's how I interpreted it. It's hard to say whether she was in fandom or not though, since she never showed up in the comments (although given some of the responses, maybe it was better off that she never did) ...I guess we may never know.

The thing is, I feel that South African anon can't be an isolated case... surely there are other people out there in Hetalia fandom from smaller countries (like the Lithuania anon for example) that feel this way as well, but feel they can't object without being mocked or told they're stupid as a result, as the comments here from other anons/fen have shown.