[ SECRET POST #5125 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5125 ⌋

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[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/rkSwUY6.png

[(Anonymous)]

Unrelated: yesterday my mother used the term 'tinhatter' in regards to QAnon, and I told her the term originates from the 2002 film "Signs" which I saw in the theatre. I feel powerful for being old enough to have been part of history.

Otoh, my best friend, whom I saw Signs with, just called me "Cypher, who chose the Matrix over truth," and she believes that the vaccine is "the mark of the beast" so I guess being 40+ can be both good and bad.

[tabaqui]

Oh, wow.....

[(Anonymous)]

People wearing tin foil hats to keep aliens/government out of their head originated for before 2002. But "tinhatter" used that was is (afaik) a fandom term.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah I'm pretty sure there were tinfoil hat jokes in the X-Files, so definitely predates it. but now I want to go down a rabbit hole searching for the etymology of the term...

sa

[(Anonymous)]

well that was a disappointingly shallow hole with a poorly written wiki on one end and literal conspiracy sites saying it totally works science says so on the other.

anyway 1926 first literary citation. Do with that information what you will.

Re: sa

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's quite bad, because the literary citation is an example from a science fiction story, when what would be most interesting is either (a) people seriously believing that tin hats would help keep out conspiracy rays or (b) the broad cultural stereotype that conspiracy people believe in tinfoil hats

Re: sa

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, the story's great, it straight up uses tinfoil hats as a means to block telepathy, it's how all of us are used to using it even before the morphology of "tinhatter" to mean "person who believes a stupid conspiracy." what's missing is how frequently it was used in scifi/fandom circles between Amazing Stories in the 20s to regular scifi parlance in the 70s to being such cultural zeitgeist that sitcoms in the 80s and 90s to poke fun at alien conspiracy believers.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry anon, the tin foil hat thing is much much older than Signs.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

If I don't tell my mother, she won't know. But OTOH, I'm very interested to learn where the meme comes from now!!

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry about your friend, it really sucks to see someone go down the hole of ignorance and paranoia.

[(Anonymous)]

"Tinfoil hat" is much older than Signs, and "tinhatter" about obsessive RPF fans is at least a little bit older than that, too, and did not come from Signs.

[(Anonymous)]

"tinfoil hat" was in use in 1982, according to the OED. But "tinhatter" might be new.

[(Anonymous)]

Remind her that when you consider the Matrix series as a whole, Cypher was essentially working for a virus.

[(Anonymous)]

Counterpoint: all RPF is off-putting because actors are real human beings with their own personalities and relationships and lives, and it is horrifying that merely by having a certain kind of job, a person’s clients or neighbors or the random lady at the grocery store might feel entitled to spend hours fantasizing and writing stories and creating sexual art, then sharing this with thousands of others as if there was nothing perverse to it. There are different levels of intensity obviously (the people who are insane enough to mention their RPF ships to the actors’ faces make my soul leave my body) but it’s ALL bizarre and intrusive. -So that’s why it’s unpopular.

[(Anonymous)]

this...

most people recognise that writing explicit porn about the cashier at your supermarket would be creepy as fuck, but because someone's a celebrity it's fair game? no thanks.
then again, these are probably the same people that think tabloids and paparazzi are fine

[(Anonymous)]

So, I don't mind when RPF is actually kept in fandom spaces - its when people take it too far and go out their way to harass the people themselves, especially with how accessible people can be with social media (and think its a good idea to spam their fics to those people like that's not creepy at all).

For one example recently a youtuber gamer Jacksepticeye made a response to comments on wanting to ship other gamers together that he has recently been playing with in the game Among Us (clip of video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB6olIOIAjg ) - and he was talking about how people had accused him and another youtuber as homophobic because they had spoken up about being uncomfortable about people shipping them together like they were fictional characters and not living breathing human beings.

[(Anonymous)]

ALSO I'm all for it when people actually keep it in their side of the fandom - but I'm going to super-judge every a-hole that decides to go on a tagging spree and tag an RPF as both that AND the show the actors that are getting shipped from.
If I want to read a Chris Pine/Karl Urban fic I'll actually go look for it - not through the AOS Star Trek Kirk/McCoy tag.

[(Anonymous)]

I would love for my rpf to stay in my fannish spaces, but other non-fannish ppl have never let that happen, so. Those, tbh, are the more obnoxious ppl, bc all we wanna do is say in our corner writing fic, while other ppl seem to delight in taking our fic and making it public by harrassing the ppl it's about in a bid to shame us - and sometimes kink-shame us - and it's really not fun at all. :/

[(Anonymous)]

ngl It's hard to be sympathetic to someone who still essentially contributes to the problem.

[(Anonymous)]

You know what I've never had a problem with the non-creepy RPF. I've always figured that a- the celebrities shouldn't care enough to look it up, b- a fan fantasy is clearly just a fan fantasy of relationship dynamics or whatever that usually involves a lot of projecting and can't be grounded in reality at all, esp. if they don't know the celebrity personally, and c- if they do care enough to look it up they're probably smart enough to understand that it's all in good fun and baseless assumptions. You know, there IS a reason why it's different to use the image of an anonymous walking on the street or a celebrity doing the same. A lot of fantasies surround celebrities' public images and as we all know celebrities' public images are often just that, they have to.
While I don't go around promoting RPF I do create a good deal of RP fanworks and whatnot. I like to think the celebrities I am a fan of don't care enough to search for it but, yeah, I wouldn't like them to find it either. To avoid controversy altogether lately I've been writing my RPF as original fiction lol. Though myself, if I was a celebrity I think I'd be a lot more weirded out if I found THAT out. But that seems to be the prefered approach so.

[(Anonymous)]

People use the fiction as a comfy barrier between sexualising the character actors play and the actor, but it kind of flimsy regardless. But I think it's asking too much of people to be able to pinpoint taboo feelings and their outer edges. We're all going to relate differently to sexual feelings and yeah, it'd help if the kind of breaches where the subject of attraction is placed in the position of having to acknowledge what is utterly out of their control didn't happen.

Hard and fast rules aren't ever going to be practical.

[meadowphoenix]

I'll be the out there person and say that persona is the one way celebrities (well, anybody actually) have of controlling their own narratives and the propensity of rpf to change the way a fandom relates to a celebrity's persona, in way that CAN go beyond one work and ride straight into others is actually kinda shitty. even if its just personas that are being played with.