[ SECRET POST #5141 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5141 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Your pets had no choice in being with you, you chose to adopt them, often taking them from their mothers when they were pups. Does this mean you don't love your pets, because you never gave them the choice to remain with their parents over coming to live in your house? If you have a dog or a cat, then presumably you have sterilized them. Did you ask them for their consent before you did that?

Animals, and robots for that matter, aren't people and things like "consent" and "free will" don't apply to them the way they apply to humans. You can program a robot to "feel" love for you (well, as much as a metal thing with no hormones is capable of feeling anything) but simultaneously not to feel" the need to disobey you.

[(Anonymous)]

If your pets don’t love you, you’ll know. Quite frequently, a pet isn’t that affectionate towards their primary caregiver, either because they just aren’t that affectionate to begin with or because they like someone else better. Also, having a romantic relationship with your pets is morally repugnant, largely because they can’t consent. So, basically, your entire argument is bullshit. Also, you should not have pets.

[(Anonymous)]

It's perfectly legal for me to mate my dog with my neighbor's dog. I didn't set up my dog on a date with multiple other digs, so he could choose the partner that he likes most. And like I said, I didn't ask my dog for permission before castrating him. Because dogs aren't people and don't deserve the same rights and consideration in making choices about their romantic and sexual life as people do. The reason why fucking your dog is illegal is because it harms the animal. Your vibrator isn't going to be harmed by you sticking it up your vag, even if it's programmed to have conversations with you that make it sound as if you were talking to a human. Like I said above, this thing: https://youtu.be/Qy2Z2TWAt6A triggers an emotional response in people as if it were a pet, but it's not a pet and it wouldn't be immoral for you to break it (or have sex with it, if that's how you roll).

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT--okay, as much as I love them, pets=/=people. The balance with domestic animals especially is more towards duty of care than respecting their autonomy.

I make sure my hens don't eat styrofoam even though they love it, because it's bad for them. I had my male dog sterilized because ge would be at lower risk for cancer and live a longer safer life without his balls, poor guy.

When I frighten or cause pain to an animal, I feel bad about it, try to minimize it if I'm doing it on purpose (giving pills or meds that they don't like the taste of, transferring to a carrier to take to the vet, etc) or apologize if I tripped over them or whatever.

And insofar as you can "program" pets (or people!) you do it by treating them well or badly. If you treat them well, they'll hopefully like you; if you treat them poorly, not so much.

The only baby animals I've ever adopted were chickens that would otherwise have been food for someone. I don't eat meat and my longest lived hen was 16 when she died.

The dogs and one cat have been adult strays or in one case a puppy that was going to be put down from shelters, the other cats just showed up and stayed when I treated them well.

(Most) people are capable of more autonomy and conscious choice than most domestic animals, so you have to respect their autonomy more, or if they're babies, give them the education and tools to become autonomous thinkers as adults while also protecting, providing, and caring for them.

The less a person is able to think and care for themselves, the more ethically fraught their situation and the more debate there is about what people who care (or should care) for them owe them to give them good lives, and what constitutes a good life.

Insofar as a person is capable of autonomy without harming others, and provided they're capable of understanding concepts like autonomy and consent, we should respect their rights to act as individuals.

Idk it's 4 am and I'm not sure I'd have the brains or vocab to articulate fully why your position freaks me out even at noon after a good night's sleep, a meal, and coffee.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm aware of it all and none of it has jackshit to do with the supposed immorality of fucking a robot. Prove to me that robots are people and deserve to be programmed with the full autonomy equal to that of a human being. We aren't talking about the morality of fucking animals, you weirdos. Honestly, I think you're intentionally derailing the discussion, because you know I'm right and you have no good argument against my point, so you prefer to attack a strawman instead. I only gave an example with pets to point out that you can genuinely feel the feeling of love towards something and still think you can make decisions for it.