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⌈ Secret Post #745 ⌋

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But there's the rub: How do you even define harming children? Isn't it a negative thing to view children as sexual objects, period?

I think that's a pretty plausible argument. In general I am tolerant and I also think people should be allowed to write what they please (whether they can post it certain places is another issue altogether), but people should also be responsible and should recognize mental sickness when they see it.

Back when strikethrough happened, a lot of pedophiles (... real ones ...) tried to latch onto fandom and the freedom of speech issue, and there were some truly stupid and naive idiots in fandom who wanted to unite with them. Honestly? Really? Seriously?!

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it mental sickness, but I agree that people should be responsible. You need to think about these things if you're going to read and write them.

And that doesn't surprise me in the least. It's very nerd social fallacy - I think fandom people fear being judged and so are always willing to stick their heads in the sand.

Honestly I think a lot of people who read/write that sort of thing in fandom very much more identify with the child than with the adult. Which I feel is a different thing from fantasizing about children as people you can get sexual gratification from.

When I was eight (possibly, younger, I honestly can't remember) I used to fantasize about adults doing stuff to people my age which would be classed as sexual abuse were it ever to be done in real life. I wasn't really aware of that at the time. I wasn't aware that what I was doing was masturbating or that it had anything to do with sex, at the time. But I do think it colours my perspective on this. I have a hard time accusing eight year old me of being a pedophile, and I gave up those fantasies when I discovered porn and started fantasizing about adults having sex with each other, so I don't consider myself a pedophile now, but if I were to remember being turned on as an eight year old, to revisit the idea of being vulnerable in that way, would that make me one? I don't feel like it would, because in my mind being a pedophile is wanting to abuse children, and I would be thinking about being abused.

It's not something I do, but I have rape fantasies sometimes, and I can see why some people might get something similar from child abuse fantasies. I would feel kind of hypocritical judging them for that, because in my mind it's the same thing I do sometimes, just one step more extreme.

But I can accept that I might be wrong in not condemning it. I'm absolutely not sure of myself here. I feel defensive around people who rage against anything that has even a hint of sexuality+children though. It's like there's no room for me to be unsure of my stance without being A TERRIBLE PERSON, which really just makes me sympathise more with the other perspective. :/

Yeah, I think it's an important distinction to make - who do you identify with here? I think fantasizing about rape in which you are the one being raped (or "raped," as seems common) is much different than getting off to somebody else being raped.

I think it's important to think about this stuff, not so that you can judge other people, but because I think that the path to real mental illness and serious sexual problems is a lack of self-awareness.

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