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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-03-05 07:02 pm

[ SECRET POST #5173 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5173 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[No Such Thing As a Fish (podcast)]



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02.
[Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy]


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03.
[Luxuria Superbia]


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06. [SPOILERS]



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07. [SPOILERS for Torment: Tides of Numenera]



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08. [WARNING for discussion of assault/abuse]



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09. [WARNING for underage]



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10. [WARNING for discussion of assault/abuse]


















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #740.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2021-03-06 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
I can't bring myself to hate Willow but, except for that, I agree with everything you wrote. I always liked Cordelia, even in season 1, and always believed that she wasn't much of a bully.

(Anonymous) 2021-03-06 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt, but yeah. Cordelia was kind of catty in season one, but her "bullying" mostly consisted of... trying to avoid Buffy as much as possible.
Seriously, you can tell that Joss was never one of the bullied kids in school, since apparently his idea of a bully is "a popular person who does not want to be my friend."

(Anonymous) 2021-03-06 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
That seems to be...right. She's not nice to Willow, but then neither are most of Willow's classmates. Which mostly seems to consist of occasionally mocking her outfits. Cordelia is more like a frenemy than someone who constantly, deliberately targets them.

A lot fo screenwriters seem to interpret "popular kid who doesn't want to be my friend" as bullying. But honestly, the bullies I remember from school were, first, much worse in middle school, because by high school you had to be egregiously unpopular for anyone to even care. Second, the bullies I remember weren't the most beautiful and popular kids, they were losers too. The biggest bullies I remember,the oens who didn't grow out of it by high school, were just as much losers as their victims.

(Anonymous) 2021-03-06 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
If Cordelia reminds OP of a bully, then it doesn't really matter if she was one or not. It's totally valid to not like a fictional character for reminding you of something bad.

But. Early season Cordelia isn't even supposed to be a bully. She's supposed to be a shallow popular girl stereotype set up to directly parallel what Buffy's life could have been like without the Slayer bits. Most of the social conflict between Buffy and Cordelia is a direct result of Buffy's old life crashing and burning against her Slayer life.

And keep in mind that Buffy's not a social pariah because of Cordelia. She's a transfer student who was expelled from her old school for mysterious reasons involving fire and death and she's frequently involved in the super sketchy, violent weirdness going on in town. From an outsider's view, a lot of people who hang around Buffy wind up dead or missing. She was never going to be one of the cool kids.