[ SECRET POST #5180 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5180 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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06. [SPOILERS for Brand upon the Brain!]
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07. [SPOILERS for End Roll]
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08. [WARNING for probable discussion of sexual assault?]



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09. [WARNING for mention of sexual assault/rape]



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10. [WARNING for discussion of rape?]



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12. [WARNING for mention of domestic violence]



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13. [WARNING for discussion of pedophilia]



















Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I generally agree, re: the Spike vs. Angel thing. Soulless Spike in later seasons became a complex mixture of dark and light impulses, while Angelus was purely sadistic through and through. And while I don’t personally feel the need to elevate one over the other when it comes to soul-having Angel and Spike, if forced to choose, I guess I’d say that I find Spike-with-soul more admirable as a person than Angel-with-soul.

That said, I don’t actually feel that Spike’s attempted rape of Buffy was all that OOC, given everything that led up to it. I actually do think that S6 Spike had developed a conscience and a moral compass, to some extent. But I think it was a weak and deeply flawed, and his relationship with it was tenuous and fraught. I don’t think Spike himself had much understanding, by S6, of why he did the things he did. S6 Spike was motivated by love and desire and resentment and impulsive cruelty in perhaps equal measure, and those motives overlapped and impacted on each other.

Then there’s the fact that their sexual relationship, from the beginning, had hinged on a very dubious “No means yes if you push a little harder” dynamic. They’d been violent with each other from the start, Buffy even more so than Spike. And frankly, consent had never exactly been their strong suit. They had basically always operated on a principle of, “If you genuinely don’t want this, you wont let me do it.”

Add to that the fact that Spike was drunk as fuck when he came to see her.

It doesn’t make Spike any less responsible for his actions (a fact which Spike himself is aware of). I just don’t think his actions were inexplicable, OOC, or out of the blue. All the toxic groundwork was there.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

Then there’s the fact that their sexual relationship, from the beginning, had hinged on a very dubious “No means yes if you push a little harder” dynamic. They’d been violent with each other from the start, Buffy even more so than Spike. And frankly, consent had never exactly been their strong suit. They had basically always operated on a principle of, “If you genuinely don’t want this, you wont let me do it.”

This here! Invisibuffy set the tone for their sexual interactions. She was in an incredibly bad place, yes, but she went looking for an outlet and decided that manhandling and fucking Spike, without asking anyone, including him, for their opinion, was the perfect combination of letting go and taking control. Spike went to her place, Spike got physical with her, Spike tried to have violent sex with her. Same script. And, it's been a while so correct me if I'm wrong, but iirc once it turned out that Buffy wasn't following script and turning out to be into it after initial resistance, he stopped.

Their relationship was incredibly volatile, full of violence, non-discussed boundaries, and lack of consent as foreplay. It was inevitable that one of them would push when the other wasn't in the mood to be pushed. This doesn't make Spike attempting to rape her okay, but the action doesn't exist in a vacuum and that relationship was mutually abusive.