[ SECRET POST #5184 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5184 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think you (and anyone using this quote to support US cops) are looking at this quote the wrong way around - you're seeing this as an excuse to let militarized cops off the hook, Pratchett is saying cops shouldn't be militarized in the first place.

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[(Anonymous)]

uh no, I understand the quote just fine. it saying that cops are just citizens with authority, not military forces. my issue is that citizens with authority means you can't be treated as any other citizen and it's silly to pretend that you should, and there is no way for the state to act to reduce your rights without treating you as opposition to the state's interests, so it's also silly to pretend the distinction with the military is bright line.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

No, it says cops *should ideally be* citizens with authority, not that they *are*. There are plenty of citizens with authority (medical personnel, social workers, MPs) who are not militarised, why should cops be different?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

really? what authority do those people have that they don't have to have police back up like other civilians...?

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[(Anonymous)]

DA and late to the party but...

You're now deliberately missing the point. Doctors have authority because they have experience. Same in the other fields mentioned. If I happen upon an accident and a guy in a white coat and stethoscope tells me to help him save this other guy, I'm gonna help. I'm not gonna wait for a cop to threaten force against me if I don't. Similarly, if I happen upon a crime in progress (assuming I lived in a country with a decent police force) I would listen to the cop not because I fear for my safety from him but because I know he's fuckin trained for this and can tell me what to do better than I know myself.

In a civilized world, experience begets authority. Not might.

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm not deliberately missing the point, but you are by implying that expertise is authority, lmao. It is not, and this is not an issue of your choice to act but if you do act who can decide if you've acted by right and when you haven't and your actions can be repelled by civilians. If a doctor tell you to do something, they don't have any authority to do so and can in fact be completely wrong to do so. If they're right, you acting on their expertise is prudent, and it's kind to the prospective patient, but it's not obligated by their expertise.