[ SECRET POST #5189 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5189 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If the question is "Should there be a ban on underage ships?" My answer is a flat "No" (with the possible exception of Underage RPF ships...I honestly don't know what my opinion is there, due to the blurring of reality and fiction when it comes to RPF). But when it comes to pure fiction, I don't think there should be a ban on anything.

If the question is, "Is it alright for an individual who is responsible for a particular event or domain to place regulations and restrictions on what content their event will feature, or what content their domain will house?" then my answer is absolutely yes. That is 100% their right. If I created my own independent archive (which I wouldn't do because it's 2021 not 1998, but if I did-) I wouldn't accept underage fictional content. I don't think you're a bad person or a sick person for being into that, but I would be uncomfortable with being personally responsible for the archive that housed it, so I wouldn't allow it on my archive. And anybody who had a problem with that could fuck off and make their own archive, and I'd genuinely wish them all the best at it.

[(Anonymous)]

1+, RPF of minors is where I draw the line, could not care less about fictional characters though.

[erinptah]

And anybody who had a problem with that could fuck off and make their own archive

To be fair, they already did.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with A)3 is that it's trying to have it both ways: to be the safe haven of unfiltered explicit kinky porn and be open to the general audience. According to its terms and conditions the website is intended to be for a 13+ audience, not an 18+ audience. Either filter this crap out, or boost the age to 18+.

[(Anonymous)]

All adult content is blocked by warnings, though. Not even just the explicit kinky porn, but everything, including the "chose not to use archive warnings" works that might or might not have it, you need to click through a disclaimer before viewing it. Or create an account and agree to a blanket sitewide disclaimer that holds while you're logged in.

Putting "no really, this could have adult content, you better be 18" on the whole site wouldn't stop people who are determined to click through anyway. All it would do is make the site more inconvenient for everyone trying to read non-adult stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

The tags and description has zero warnings though. Do you think that 13 year olds should have to scroll past a dozen fics with tags such as "internal cumshot", "vaginal fingering", and "premature ejaculation"? All of these show up on the main page for Disney's Frozen, available without a single warning.

There's a difference between kids lying about their age to get to porn, and kids being invited and warmly welcomed to a porn site.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you really think a 13-year-old doesn't already know what those things mean? Middle-school kids have filthy mouths and are starting to get fascinated with sex (even if there's an element of fascinated repulsion). They're learning about it from their peers whether they're on AO3 or not.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between knowing what explicit terms mean and being bombarded by them every time they're trying to engage in fandom activities that they've been explicitly told was meant for them. Discord has recently even made a requirement to keep NSFW content strictly in locked channels. And it just so happens that I'm part of multiple discords with a lot of 13 year olds, and they all agree that this has improved their fandom experience. I value their opinion about it more than yours.

[(Anonymous)]

You do know you can filter out E-rated fics in a search, right?

Also there are already two gigantic fanfic sites (fanfiction.net and Wattpad) that do have content restrictions. They're right there! Kids can use those! And they do, I understand Wattpad is actually more popular with The Youth(tm) than AO3. There's no good reason to make AO3 more like platforms that already exist by removing a quality that's exactly what most of its users like about it.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that you have to filter it out every single time you search for a fandom, and a kid shouldn't have to be made to take extra steps to avoid being bombarded with porn on a website which advertises itself to be for them?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Since when does AO3 advertise itself to kids? It's always seemed to be the most adult-oriented of the big three. Not just in the porn sense, but catering to an older crowd in general. I always assume the average AO3 user is probably about 28, lol.

You didn't address my point about how there are two gigantic other archives that already have the content restrictions and filtering that you want. Kids should be using those! ff.net is kind of old fashioned, but Wattpad is really popular with young people still - why not direct kids there?

AO3's very purpose is to protect writers of all sorts of fanfic, including porn and erotica, and give them a safe place to host their work. It's a safe place for writers. It's currently the only big archive that's really trustworthy this way. Making it more like Wattpad or ff.net would just undermine its very purpose, and be redundant because Wattpad and ff.net already exist.

[(Anonymous)]

"Putting "no really, this could have adult content, you better be 18" on the whole site wouldn't stop people who are determined to click through anyway."

Can confirm, I was a teenager on the internet back in the days of fic archives for various canons. Almost all of them had the "This fic is NC-17, do not read if you are under 18" disclaimers for the adult stuff and my friends and I would just click right on past those.

[(Anonymous)]

I was a teenager on the internet long before A03 existed, and I remember having to specifically search for smut, because it wasn't available. Harry Potter fanfiction forums had age-restricted sections for smutty fics, FF.net filtered mature works by default and required you to specifically adjust the filters in order to see them, and livejournal has separate communities for NSFW works and for general fandom works.

And then years later on tumblr I tried to show my little sister how pretty the art is on the site and, even with the safe filters on, most of the the top results was Pokemon porn. It was an antirely different fandom experience to the one I had growing up.

[(Anonymous)]

Same here! My first ever fanfiction site when I was 12 was adultfanfictionnet - and to get into the site you had to put in a birthdate to 'prove' you were 18 and consent before entering the site; which I did because that's where the fanfics I wanted to read from a fan forum I was a part of were (also I didn't know that ffnet even existed yet until much later).

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for confirming that porn was not as visible in the fandom as it is today. You had to take extra steps to get to porn.

[(Anonymous)]

OP - If you're referring to AO3 then yes and no. AO3 isn't private, so the specific scenario I was speaking of, where an individual goes and makes their own archive to cater to their tastes, isn't what AO3 is. However, I love AO3 and am very glad it exists. I'm glad we have a site that allows all content. See the part of my previous sentence you didn't quote: I wish them all the best.