[ SECRET POST #5199 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5199 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

On the one hand, I get the impulse to sanitize problematic faves, because I don't usually enjoy watching mine do awful shit to others or fuck up their own lives or both; I sometimes have to put a book down for awhile or watch through my fingers. I enjoy villain redemption when it's done well, but it seldom is. And some of the writing for my favorite characters has seemed OOC on occasion.

But I've seen other fans of my favorites say things that make me cringe because wow that's some quality denial you have there. Especially when they also claim to love redemption arcs, because if a character did nothing wrong and was just a misunderstood victim the whole time, why is it a big deal that they were redeemed? Redeemed from what? Redemption=/=exoneration.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT.

YMMV but if my fave is genuinely a piece of shit then I do actually enjoy that aspect of them and don't water it down to make them more palatable. For me that's just not fun at all. But I see this kind of flattening for even the nice characters I like where they're squashed into shallow cardboard cut-outs with even less depth than their canon-selves(which in some cases is saying something as the canon isn't overly deep). But flaws are 'bad writing' to a majority of fandom I guess.

I've long since come to the realization that fandom doesn't want redemption arcs for their bad-guys faves, they want 'they did nothing wrong' arcs or 'the fave gets brutalized/hurt/tortured in place of actually learning any lessons in a cheap grab for sympathy' arcs. Because that's what I see 9/10, and I'd be down for some legit well-thought out redemption stories. But I have yet to see these.

[(Anonymous)]

YMMV but if my fave is genuinely a piece of shit then I do actually enjoy that aspect of them and don't water it down to make them more palatable. For me that's just not fun at all.

Many of my favorite characters are complex and flawed, but I'm not someone who enjoys characters who are out-and-out Bad People. Or, if they are Bad People, then they have to have some very strong reasons for being that way. So if I love a character who is complex and flawed but then suddenly the writers have that character do something that is completely beyond the pale, my choice is either to stop liking them, ignore that bit of canon, or create a compelling headcanon for why they did this horrible thing. It's cool that some people like characters who are Bad People without any need to reconcile that with how they would feel about that character if they were a real-life person. But it doesn't work that way for me. My brain says nope.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Forgot to say, I'm a DA, not the AYRT.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT either, but I agree with your take. I like explaining a bad guy's actions without excusing them, but at the end of the day, a villain is a villain and I like them because, and not in spite of, their flaws. Funny that you say that about the redemption stories because, when the canon for my main fandom ends, I'm planning to write a long redemption arc for this dude. The audience for that sort of thing is small, but it's there!

[(Anonymous)]

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