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⌈ Secret Post #756 ⌋

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101.

[Keith Olbermann]

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[Pygmalion]

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[Terrance Zdunich, Alexa Vega, Darren Bousman, Repo! The Genetic Opera]

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[Nathaniel Grasion: Anita Blake Vampire Hunter, Duo Maxwell:Gundam Wing]

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[World of Warcraft]

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[Evangeline Lily]

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[Dennou Coil]

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[24]

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[Lewis Black]

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[Harry Potter/Minerva McGonnagall]

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[Battlestar Galactica]

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[Maria†Holic]

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[Merlin]

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[Fairy Tail]

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[Vocaloids]

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[Married with Children]

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[David Cronenberg and Viggo Mortensen]

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[Paul Magrs]

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[Little Miss Sunshine]

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[Lunia Online]

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[Gossip Girl]

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[Evil Dead/Re-Animator]

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[Tale of Despereaux]

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel]

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[Brock, Pokemon]

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[Weeds]

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[TWEWY]

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[Pirates of the Caribbean]

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[Heidi Blickenstaff, Susan Blackwell, the [title of show] show]

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[20th Century Boys]

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[NPR: Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!]

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[Evangelion, Shinji]

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[Kodomo no Jikan (Nymphet)]

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[Big Bang Theory]

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[Alan Shore (Boston Legal, The Practice)]

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[Joss Whedon]

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Uhm, hello? When did I ever say something about sexuality? It's about logical fallacies. The whole 'he sees the universe as it should be' stuff is complete and utter bullshit, and it makes me mad that a character designed to be a role model for kids gets away with calling someone a freak, nevermind the reason. Homophobia? What the hell, did you just pull that out of your ass? How about you try reading a comment before replying to it?

But it's fine for him to torture a family, alien or not, who were seeking immortal life in horrific "Fate Worse Than Death" ways because they're the baddies, right? Or drowning countless "babies" that had just newly hatched? Or calling a young girl a "Stupid ape" or any of the not-so-pleasant sides of his personalities that he is prone to show?

Give me a break, if your excuse is "THE CHILDREN!!" then that is the reason why so many children are subjected to these unrealistic, one dimensional "Everything is fine and everything is nice" stories that lack any sense of depth or danger. Trust me, children can handle some name calling - they practically invented it.

Okay, see, I'll capitalise it for you: It's the GETTING AWAY WITH IT part. Whenever he's in his Oncoming Storm mode, there's always a pretty strong undercurrent of very, very wrong. But that scene in question? It pretty much presented him as right, because he's got this special Time Lord ability of seeing the universe as it should be.

Again, read what I'm actually saying.

Thank you kindly, but I assure you that I can read even is capslocks IS cruise control for cool.

That being said, I'm sorry that you're upset that he was picking on Jack. I still just think it's ridiculous to get upset over, especially in defense of "the children". There are a lot worse things to get upset over in that show than someone being called a freak when it comes to giving a kid bad ideas or "Scarring them for life"... but the truth is, kids are much more resilient than what adults give them credit for. It's this sort of mentality that have lent itself to over-censorship, super sensitive executives that hawk creativity inf ear of upsetting the parents, banned and gutted television shows that kids previously handled just fine, but now are seen as offensive, depraved and not safe for children to watch.

Of course, maybe "THE CHILDREN" is not really your true defense and was just thrown in as a catch to prove your point. If it really isn't your defense, I apologize for prattling on about the ridiculousness of that reasoning.

OTHERWISE, to reply to what you're now saying: I don't see what's so wrong with Jack being perceived as wrong. He was, wasn't he? If it's a canon written statement that the Time Lords can perceive what is right and what is wrong with the universe, why not Jack? Because the good guys must prance and hold hands and smile all the time? He was an abnormality that should not exist and was left to wreak havoc on. And yes, the tenth doctor is cruel. The character's personality is cemented in the fact that he is both incredibly nice and horribly cruel. It adds something called depth. You don't have to like it, but bitching about the writers for "doing it wrong" while they're keeping with the canon laws they have written is quite asinine.

Also, my memory may be faulty as I have not watched that episode in a while... but aren't they bantering during that scene? With a touch of drama? in which Jack even points out that he is being unfair and prejudiced? A character, "role model" or not, is allowed to have flaws. I commend the writers for doing it... It shows good skill in writing, detachment from personal feelings while getting into the mind of a character. Otherwise you just get these "I never do anything wrong" do-gooders that are, quite frankly, just annoying.

Like I said, it's fine to not like it but don't get bitchy with the writers for actually giving depth to a character and presenting him with flaws. That, if anything, I think is a better lesson to "the children"

But what about all those children who are immortal and cannot die?!!? THEY WILL BE TRAMATIZED.

Well, Twilight took good care of that, I suppose. :/

The thing is, the Doctor's reasoning in that scene is a good ol' appeal to nature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature), and logic simply doesn't work that way. And yeah, maybe I'm overreacting, but this way of thinking has never done society any good. That's why it bothers me so much. 'You are wrong because you're against nature' is nothing you can ever rightfully say to anyone, and I'm annoyed with Doctor Who for establishing a canon that says otherwise.

I do most certainly understand that the Doctor is an ambiguous character. In fact, I think that 'incredibly nice and horribly cruel' is one of the most fitting descriptions of the tenth Doctor I've ever heard, so there you go. Of course, a character without flaws would hold no entertainment value whatsoever, and that's why I'm absolutely fine with that cruel side of his we occasionally get to see--actually, I love it. It's what keeps me watching, more than anything else. It's when flaws are presented as admirable qualities that I get angry. It's the difference between saying 'why, yes, jerks exist' and saying 'being a jerk is cool'.

See, I have to disagree here again. I don't at all think that scene was saying that jerks are cruel. If anything I think it was played out to be more of a sympathetic statement to Jack, in which they can then both agree on how hard immortality actually is.

I can't tell you how to feel about these things, I guess though, as a creative type (or a wannabe creative type) myself I cannot help but feel defensive to the author when I can understand what they were getting at and it gets misinterpreted. Of course, that isn't to say the Doctor Who writers CAN do no wrong... Even though I defended Davies earlier I have often found myself wanting to take him to the floor strangling him. I even have a joke with my friends that whenever he does something just near jumping-the-shark level that we clench our fists and shout "DAVIES!" at the sky. Just not over these two scenes. I guess, in actuality, the difference is that I truly felt moved by Donna's realization and passion to help those in need and I enjoyed being shown that the Doctor is not perfect BUT that he and Jack, as friends, could have an argument and possibly even hold hurt feelings (on Jack's side) and move past it.

But I dunno, I also like the "against nature" thing. I love abnormal things, I love "impossible" things, I also love the ability to be more than meets the eye. They are some of my favorite quirks in a character, so when they happen on Doctor Who they are fun - the best part of Jack is that, moral-reason and plot-reasons, Doc cannot "fix" him and he is just something they have to deal with.

Basically it all boils down to opinions, which are pointless to argue in the first place, but it can be fun to argue a bit from time to time. I still just have to disagree that the scene was meant to portray Doc's cruel statement as something admirable and I think it was quite the opposite. At least, to me, that is how I took it.

Oh, dear freaking God... it's a sci fi show. Jack is immortal and from the future and the Doctor is an alien from a different planet. They travel around space and time and fight aliens. What part of that even begins to establish some sort of moral code for society to follow? Characters are allowed to have 'flaws' and it shouldn't be thought of as horribly wrong when they do. Seriously... a 'hero' character doesn't have to be perfect all the time to still be a hero.

Also, I don't see anything particularly morally wrong with the Doctor's reaction to Jack's immortality. Really... if a Time Lord wants to think that someone being immortal goes against some laws of time or nature or whatever, then so be it.

I think you're taking it all a bit too seriously...

Yes, thank you! You summed it up brilliantly. Conflict keeps the world of plot goin' round!

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