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⌈ Secret Post #5230 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

(Cozy Werewolf Anon)

So, you're going to ding me for referencing I want to watch Japanese fantasy anime by japanese people and play a video game BASED on Japanese Mythology and then make an extreme eleven point jump assumption about my reading tastes.

okay. Um. Sure. (I do get to a point you aren't making your comment about me. It could be read as personal though and if I was 15 years younger.)

Your long paragraph is describing the societal prevalent attitude that "If it's not traditionally published, it's inferior." Or "indie authors can't hack it traditionally so they are vanity projects." Or. "Wattpad authors suck." Which totally disregards the extreme miracle it is to get traditionally published when you're going through slush. Agents are actively looking for reasons to disregard perfectly fine and well written books.

Also, POC authors who are in different genres have their books compared to each other even if it makes no sense, soley because they are POC and the publishers decide them being POC is the biggest factor on what is going to be profitable for that book. So POC books might not even be picked up b/c "not profitable." And you know, that a lot of established authors aren't earning out the major advances they're being given so, maybe we should start working on making books stand on their own no matter who the author is and standardizing some of this advertising and shit b/c books are selected to where they will go on a list long before they're published so, authors can know where they truly stand.

It's a systemic problem.

And yes, your last paragraph is true. Some fans do not want to read weird westerns or scifi westerns b/c it's just too different. Or afro-centric fantasy or insert BIPOC culture here. They don't really want to leave their comfort zones because they like reading certain things and would appreciate those certain things with a more colorful cast of characters. They want diversity the same way they want to vacation in a foreign country. Oh, there are the natives, and pretty scenery and I can still find people who talk my language and I can try the less spicy food before going to McDonalds. Maybe try on native dress for an hour. They are understandably frustrating. It's also their right not to want to dive into the idea of "I'm going to live as they do for a year." And trad pubbed books are made more for this tourist mindset while indie books aren't.

And to them indie books are trash, so we have to push publishing towards the full on experience over the tourist experience so these readers, now acclimatized by the tourist experience, can maybe feel not so uncomfortable with the full experience. And the books then won't fail to launch. Trad publishing hates risks. These books currently being published as indie are major risks to them unless they believe the audiences will actually embrace them.

Movies have to think about this too. For every MCU, you've got a Cowboys & Aliens pushing things too far and audiences not prepared for it. (Me, can I have more of that, please? With a more diverse cast and women not fridged!)

In the current publishing climate, no one is winning. There is a new book community twitter villain every week. Ownvoices being used as a hammer instead of a promo tool. And publishers showing their true colors (S&S). And book review people now trying to organize to hold them accountable. Change is slow. And frustrating. If it happens at all.

[(Anonymous)]

(CWA)

PS. The people who think there are no politics in SFF are the ones who drive me the most batty. In general, to me it means they haven't engaged at all with any of the works they claim to love or missed the entire point.

Case in point: Star Wars

Man, I love star wars, the fans... I avoid the fandom for a reason.

[(Anonymous)]

"okay. Um. Sure. (I do get to a point you aren't making your comment about me. It could be read as personal though and if I was 15 years younger.)"

If it's not about you, well, don't make it about you.

It just gets really frustrating 'round here to see enthusiastic recommendations shot down because they don't fit into acceptable genre/format slots.