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fandomsecrets2009-01-31 05:08 pm
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[ SECRET POST #757 ]
⌈ Secret Post #757 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 21 pages, 525 secrets from Secret Submission Post #109.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ], [ 1 2 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: 166.
I have gotten bitched at for saying that some people who claim to be LGBT might be wrong about themselves.
Maybe the issue people are taking with it is that this attitude is trying to dictate how people identify them yourselves and it maybe it is not appropriate for you to make judgments in that case.
The third case though is really exploitative, and I think exploiting a type of a relationship while thinking in reality that those relationships are inferior and argue against their rights is hypocritical and offensive.
Gay men are not here for the purpose of entertaining straight women.
Her being honest does not mean that I can't think that she is a hypocrite.
Re: 166.
Agreed. Sexual identity is a very personal thing, and very difficult to describe. It's never as simple as the container words we are given by language - "gay/straight/lesbian". Am I still a lesbian if I only like red-heads, for example, or am I really red-head-sexual? Am I bisexual if I jerk off to men but have a female partner? Etc. I think there are times when people need to understand that the world at large does tend to judge you by your partner history/your current partner (gays married to a member of the opposite sex, for example), but the outside observers also have to understand that what a given individual's sexuality means to them can easily be nothing like 'what it looks like'. If I walked up to the OP and said "HEY I BET YOU LIKE CHEESE A LOT AMIRIGHT? IT'S ON YOUR SANDWICH THERE! NO? WELL MAYBE YOU ARE WRONG AND SECRETLY YOU DO!" -- I bet the OP would be upset because I am presuming to know more about their tastes than they do.
Re: 166.
(Anonymous) 2009-02-02 12:07 am (UTC)(link)By "pet issue", I didn't mean that it was trivial, I just meant that fandom seems to focus on it instead of other issues. And really? All issues are important and affect people's lives. The abortion debate, the environment, the mess in Iraq, saving Dar Fur, ending sexism or racism- I consider them all to be important, and they all do affect people's lives, but if someone were to focus on one of these issues specifically, especially to the point of not liking anyone who doesn't support the cause, yeah, I'd call it a pet issue. Gay marriage is important. That doesn't make it the only important issue, or make its advocates better than the advocates for everything else.
"Some people think they're gay, but then turn out to be straight" isn't making a judgment of anyone specific. I've also seen it happen to friends. It's possible that years down the road, they might decide that they've actually been gay or bi all along, and if that happens to all of them, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. Questioning your sexuality shouldn't mean that the answer always has to be "yes, I'm LGBT."
I still don't get how she's a hypocrite. She likes slashfic as fantasy. She's not politically involved about gay rights in reality. You can dislike it, but how is she violating her own principles?
Re: 166.
And people in fandom discuss those issues to, but the thing is that in general there isn't really a connection between fandom and the environment or Iraq like there is between gay rights and fandom because fandom does deal with stories and such of gay relationships. There isn't as much of an intersection so those things don't come out as often. And no one is claiming that gay marriage is the only important issue, but because of the role of slash in fandom there is a connection between it and gay people in real life.
I think that argument is problematic, and when you use it in a debate about things like that it becomes kind of a kin to "you are just going through phase," which is hurtful to many people who are gay and who are being told that over and over. Yes they may be experimenting, but I don't see why the possible future of people's orientations come into play.
It is not being politically involved that I have a problem with. It is liking and enjoying slashing while being apathetic or against gay rights in real life, because the implication to that is that gay men (and women as well) are only good for fiction in support of straight women's fantasies. These things are not created in a vacuum.