[ SECRET POST #5236 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5236 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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02.
[The Falcon and the Winter Soldier]


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03.
[Clerks II]


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04.
[The Untamed]


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05.
[Shadow and Bone]


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07.
[Ni no Kuni 2]


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08. [SPOILERS for King Charles III (play)]




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09. [SPOILERS for Final Fantasy IV]



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10. [SPOILERS for Yakuza 0]
[WARNING for discussion of violence]




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11. [WARNING for discussion of rape/sexual assault]

[Girls of Paper and Fire]






























Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #749.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

See, I'm not really sure if that's deliberate characterization (though your theory makes sense) or just sloppy writing, though. People don't react strongly to stuff unless it's required of them to make a point. That feels like incomplete characterization to me because it happens across the board to everyone except the two leads because the story focuses so heavily on their struggle and their feelings to the exclusion of almost everything else.

[(Anonymous)]

The lack of action and adherence to tradition over morality is like... a huge theme of the show, though. It's the major flaw of the sect world, very bluntly.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, that's basically the point of the entire thing, no? That the Sect World is so caught up in the rules that even good people do things that are morally wrong and how quickly it can turn on people that step out of those rules.

[(Anonymous)]

I... suppose. I mean, I don't disagree that this argument could fit. It's just that to me, I'm not 100% convinced that was the author's intention? Especially when it seems like the sort of personal conflict (as good people struggle against the rules vs. actual justice) seems extremely muted outside of the two leads.

[(Anonymous)]

It... was the author's intent? Like, I'm not really sure where you're getting it's not since that's the central theme to the story. And it's not really muted outside of them, the main characters are just the focus. Lan Xichen deals with this conflict and it's pretty central to the last act of the show. And Jiang Cheng is basically the embodiment of this issue, contrasted not just by his brother but also the inclusion of the juniors as whole. A new group who don't adhere as strictly to the Sect world's rules and you watch how they treat Wei Wuxian vs. everyone else (until the point where there is a new enemy: another theme is propaganda and rumors and how easily people are swayed. just watch sect leader Yao's reactions).

[(Anonymous)]

It just seems rather inconsistent? I mean, Lan Xichen and Jiang Cheng were both present when the other cultivators talk about extinguishing the Wen clan and while JC struggles a little bit, I personally expected more of a visible struggle from him in particular, for the reasons in the secret? Xichen has a token mention speaking in favor of Wen Qing and Wen Ning since he knew them personally back in the days of the conference but... that's it? I don't know, it just seems like an underreaction. In his place, I'd be fucking horrified if I knew that other people were planning to murder two of my former students who hadn't done anything wrong except being born into the "wrong" clan.

I guess what I'm saying is that it seems so subtle (and inconsistent) that while it makes sense, I'm not really sure it's deliberate. Others may disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

That is...literally the point. The weaker (and younger) sect leaders don't stand up against the popular opinion, because it's easier, because they don't want to weaken their sects' standings, because they're afraid of the Wens and later the Jins, etc. It's really not subtle at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, I feel like I'm not making myself understood here, and it's frustrating. I understand that some of the younger (I wouldn't call Lan Xichen weaker) cultivators might not want to stand up publicly and loudly and go against popular opinion, even if they think popular opinion is wrong. ****I understand this.****

What I'm saying is that I'm not seeing their struggle, which must surely be taking place? You know... a camera cut to their reaction as they silently realize that Bad Shit is Happening and they want to say something, but they feel unable to? A remorseful moment as they realize that innocent people are going to die? Jiang Cheng has all too brief moments like this, but he can't be the only one who feels torn between justice and general consensus.

And that doesn't bar private, hidden actions. You don't have to speak out in public when atrocities are taking place, but to also do nothing in private?

[(Anonymous)]

That's kind of the point though. That it is so ingrained in their society that they DON'T stand up. Are you from the West? I'm not asking as an insult, but I feel like there's a disconnect here. In Chinese culture, it's very important to be respectful and obedient. The way the other people react are a direct commentary on the whole thing.

[(Anonymous)]

You can be respectful and obedient and still struggle because you disagree, deep down, even if you don't say anything. What I'm saying is, I'm not seeing enough struggle. I just see people underreacting or not reacting at all, which is weird.

[(Anonymous)]

Again, I feel as if there's a disconnect here? Because they do struggle. I think you're wanting something big and dramatic but that's just not the norm in that society. Jiang Cheng clearly struggles with everything that happens. He lashes out, he's moody. Lan Xichen isolates himself, he shows doubt. It might not be obvious but that's because the society, especially for sect leaders, demands that they follow along with the rules and if they don't, they're putting their entire sect at risk.

[(Anonymous)]

Trust me when I say I've never even watched The Untamed (well I read a few paragraphs once?) and yet just based on this very out of context exchange and what little I know of how the """West""" sees Individual Heroes and all that and how dictatorial poor China is... here I am thinking wow this person is a walking "Dumb American" stereotype. Hey, anon: different cultures are different from yours lol. You... Are being ethnocentric so stop. Please.