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⌈ Secret Post #5236 ⌋

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[The Falcon and the Winter Soldier]

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[Clerks II]

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[The Untamed]

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[Shadow and Bone]

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[Ni no Kuni 2]

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08. [SPOILERS for King Charles III (play)]

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09. [SPOILERS for Final Fantasy IV]

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10. [SPOILERS for Yakuza 0]
[WARNING for discussion of violence]

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11. [WARNING for discussion of rape/sexual assault]

[Girls of Paper and Fire]

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do you have more about this OP? Everything I've read suggesting it may have been mostly intra-familial fighting rather than between two distinct families, so this info sounds cool.

SA

From what I understand, there were two families (probably inter-related), and they alternated which family got to put a king on the throne. Malcolm, the grandfather of Duncan, killed the previous king and took the throne. It should have gone to Macbeth after, but instead Duncan succeeded his father, going completely against the tradition. In fact, it was even more untraditional for a grandson to be king, but Malcolm only had daughters. But Malcolm wanted to change the system in Scotland to a primogeniture throne. Anyway, Duncan was a terrible king. Macbeth killed Duncan in battle, married a woman named Gruach and took the throne.

Also, Macbeth was actually supposedly a good king. He ruled for 14 years until the son and brother of Duncan together fought and killed him. And yes, he was probably a cousin of Duncan, so they were related.

Also these families/clans had been warring each other long before any of the people who show up in the play are born.

I'll have to look into this about the alternating succession! Thank anon.

Yeah, a lot of the politics behind Shakespeare's Macbeth (and also Hamlet) has a lot more to do with post-Tudor anxiety about how heads end up rolling when succession is not clearly spelled out than history. Except for the murder, Macbeth and Claudius would have had perfectly valid succession claims.

Starting in Shakespeare's time, we started getting more formalized rules of succession largely because dynastic succession for the Tudors and the War of the Roses was a clusterfuck of claims ranging from reasonable to clearly bullshit ("I never had sex with my wife")that ended up resolved on the battlefield and scaffold. It's not really a surprise that Shakespeare made the most of the succession struggles for drama, at least the ones he could write about without ending up on the scaffold himself. But a lot of the time, dynastic succession was a matter of picking the guy with the best army and rationalizing the fuck about it after the fact.

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