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(Anonymous) 2021-05-09 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
What could possibly be the difficulty with tagging? Just write some keywords for your text, so people can find it. Surely you know what the fic is about, since you wrote it? I just don't get the problem. Pairing, genre, tropes, kinks, warnings - that just about sums up what needs to be in the tags.

But then again, some people write their whole-ass memoirs in the tags, so I guess some kind of tagging guide could be useful, since it is apparently not intuitive that the readers don't want to know what the author had for breakfast, that it's their first fic or that they have no idea what they are writing.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-09 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Some people may not know the fandom tag they want. Some fandoms have specific tags that may be different from other fandoms. Or if they don't know the certain name of a kink.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-09 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
What do you mean? They don't know what fandom they are writing the fic for? Not sure how that could happen. Even if it is a franchise with billions of spinoffs, there is always the umbrella term for the franchise that can be used.
Some fandoms have specific stuff, but if a person is writing fanfiction for the fandom, chances are, the person has already encountered these specifics before, in meta or other fics. And kinks can be googled...

(Anonymous) 2021-05-09 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't know about you but when I write I don't think "ohh yes this fic will have [insert here name of the fandom trope]", I think of a rough plot and start writing that's all.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-10 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
What tropes do I have? Do they feature enough that someone searching for them won't be disappointed if they click on my fic. Ditto kinks. Ditto characters outside the main group. Ditto pairings. Are any of these things controversial enough that I'll have screaming idiots in my comments if I don't tag for that one-sentence mention? What warnings apply? Maybe this one? Hmm, but does it really, though?

Tagging is not, in fact, simple for everyone.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-10 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
I'm so glad to hear you say this! I too do not understand what could be difficult about tagging. I mean, it's really, really intuitive. Tag the key elements of your fic. Especially tag anything that might be triggering or substantially upsetting. And if you're not sure a particular tag fits your fic, make your own tag(s) that do fit!

(Anonymous) 2021-05-09 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I get it. For me, it's overthinking that makes tagging difficult.

Do I have to tag graphic violence? Well, there's a few fights but no torture, but there is a lot of chopping people's arms off, but I'm not very descriptive with that, except for the aftermath so... do I over estimate it? Is there a specfic, accepted tag for this level of violence?

Is there a tag for a kid euthanising other people's pets? I mean, is this just dead dove territory? Or for POV for an inanimate object? Or for other messed up or really weird stuff? Do I need to tag these at all?

All of that kind of thing runs through my head for each fic, and it gets exhausting, but I guess practice makes perfect. An Akinator (Ficinator?) to tell you what the best tag for what you're thinking of would be helpful when you start to get into more niche tags, at least!

(Anonymous) 2021-05-09 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
If you have violence and stuff, you can pick Choose Not To Warn or whatever AO3 calls it, but I would warn for Major Character Death.

For canon-typical violence, there's a canon-typical violence tag. I wouldn't expect to find grisly ax murders in Friends fic but I would in a horror property. If I was freaked out by weird stuff, I wouldn't watch the source in the first place.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-09 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
da

Nah, Choose Not To Warn covers character death.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-10 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
Seconding all of this. Including tagging for Major Character Death. Or having something in the A/N that's basically like, "Yo, this is not a happy fic, I used the Chose Not To Warn tag for a reason y'all."

You have the right not to tag for MCD. But your readers have the right to decide you're a dick and not read your fic anymore, and a lot of them will, if you smack them in the face with MCD because you're like...a libertarian about fucking tagging.

(Anonymous) 2021-05-10 10:43 am (UTC)(link)
That's what CNTW is fucking *for*.

If you don't want the risk of being smacked in the face with *any* of those required warnings--and I certainly understand if people don't--then don't read fic marked Choose Not To Warn.

Because that tag is perfectly clear.

If you read my fic, which I have tagged Chose Not to Use Archive Warnings, and you get bent out of shape because I didn't use archive warnings, the problem is not with me.
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[personal profile] erinptah 2021-05-10 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
Not as omniscient as the Akinator, but I get a lot of help out of tag search:

https://archiveofourown.org/tags/search

Look for the words that come to mind, with "canonical" unchecked. If the tags exist, it'll find them, and if they've been made synonyms of a more "official" phrasing, you can click each tag to see what it is.

e.g. if I wanted readers to know that my fic was about how great Tony Stark is, I could search "Tony great", that would find "Tony Stark is great", which is a syn of "Awesome Tony Stark."

...every fandom has a list page for all the canonical tags, or at least all the canonical characters + linked relationships, but it's not linked in an obvious way and I can't remember how to get there. Hopefully someone else can jump in and help :/

(Anonymous) 2021-05-10 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
I think this is what you mean:

To get to the tags page for a fandom, just remove "works" from the URL.

So:

https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Star%20Wars%20-%20All%20Media%20Types/works

becomes

https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Star%20Wars%20-%20All%20Media%20Types/
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[personal profile] erinptah 2021-05-10 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Nah, that just shows you "first 300 of each type of tag, whether they're canonical or not."

But I did find the thing! Take that second URL and replace "tags" with "fandoms":

https://archiveofourown.org/fandoms/Star%20Wars%20-%20All%20Media%20Types/

Lists all the canonical character tags in that fandom, and all the relationship tags attached to each character.
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