[ SECRET POST #5254 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5254 ⌋

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[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/4Z7vV8z.png

[(Anonymous)]

Omg I was just going to make a secret about this. Mine was going to be about how concerning it is to see people act like Charlotte was absolutely black and being mad that they didn't learn about it in school. I saw one Tumblr twit post about how she was mad she "had to learn about England's black queen from Bridgerton" and I died a little inside. It's explicitly an AU...

[(Anonymous)]

to confess about my own past dumb stupidity that your comment reminded me of - because I live in another country and therefore never was taught anything on American history, I had genuinely thought that some of the founding fathers were black/mixed race based entirely on my first discovery of the Hamilton musical.

[(Anonymous)]

Bridgerton was officially an AU, though - they weren't saying anything about the historical Queen Charlotte. The first person to write about Queen Charlotte possibly having Black ancestry was actually a Jamaican historian, so not for racist reasons even if it has acquired racist tendencies since. (And it's very dubious because the possible ancestor, who may have had North African ancestry, is also the ancestor of most European royals, but only Queen Charlotte is singled out).

[tabaqui]

Huh, interesting.

My father's family is Portuguese, and when I did one of those DNA test things, I got some Western African DNA in the results. So - not entirely implausible, the Portuguese sailors got around.

[(Anonymous)]

"West African DNA" doesn't really mean much of anything. There are genetic traits that are frequently associated with or more common in certain population groups, but they're not actually exclusive to those groups. So you could have West African ancestry, or you could have a couple gene sequences that also happen to turn up frequently in the segment of West African people that particular testing company has sampled.

[tabaqui]

I have no idea how they do it or anything, so i'll take it at face value, and consider that sailors got up to a lot of stuff in foreign ports, including bringing home non-European and mixed brides, so....

[(Anonymous)]

Much more likely, considering the lack of input from non-European populations in those genetic databases, that the Portguese got around in West Africa as well, so you're sharing some Portuguese DNA with West Africans, not West African DNA with the Portuguese.

[tabaqui]

...that's what I said? The sailors got around. My Portuguese cousin said that somewhere back in the family line was a distant great-something-something who was likely Black, if family gossip is true, but the records are thin on the ground.
*shrug*

It is what it is.

[(Anonymous)]

I think they were saying that it could be your great great great grandfather had kids in Africa and kids in Portugal with different women, and enough sailors did that to skew how the database classifies certain genetic sequences.

So, the genetic sequence(s) identified as West African could actually be Portugese in origin, but are misclassified because not enough West Africans with non-Portugese ancestry have added their DNA to the database for the genetic sequence to be identified as not being indicative of West African ancestry.

[(Anonymous)]

Not implausible, but her ancestors were Portuguese nobility, so less likely to marry African commoners--more likely to marry North African or Arab people living in Iberia at the time, but we do know the names of her ancestors traced back to Afonso and Madragana and they were mostly Portuguese and then French.

[tabaqui]

Interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

I am so with you on this.

[(Anonymous)]

Are we acting like one drop of black blood makes you black now? Because that's ridiculous. Go back far enough and we all have the same damn blood anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... historically, because of racism. Yes. At least in the US for sure. The 'one drop' rule was definitely a thing and definitely firmly based in racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

[(Anonymous)]

The more I learn about US history, the more I despair. :(

[meadowphoenix]

It's actually kinda funny who people do this for and with because a) it's clear people don't really think about who lived in what places when, they just believe whatever racist understanding they've been told and b) I never hear stuff like this about St. Augustine who straight up is African (~Algerian now, but historically a Berber) or like the Roman emperor Severus, who was born in Africa, but probably not what anyone now would consider indigenous African (Italian and Punic heritage).

Anyway, my people gotta stop looking for European crumbs, lmao.

[(Anonymous)]

This is what happens with those people insisting Beethoven was black as well (usually with weirdly racist takes because of the way he looked). They try so hard appropriating a white German composer instead of educating people on who, for example, Chevalier de Saint-Georges and other actually black composers were...

[meadowphoenix]

the racist takes are the worst because usually these people were being insulted by historical racists? I would not like to validate that with "well maybe he was black!" Cleopatra I at least understand the confusion and it doesn't come across as insulting (and we know her mother WAS from Africa, we just don't know if again it's like Punic Africa or greek colonized Africa or a mix of indigenous and colonized or what), but we should really focus on the black people for whom there is no confusion! Let's talk about Joseph Bologne (yay for mentioning him) and Dumas and Pushkin!