[ SECRET POST #5254 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5254 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 27 secrets from Secret Submission Post #752.
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Name the fandom. And repeats, etc.

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01. https://i.imgur.com/L2Hd4KJ.png

[(Anonymous)]

I think most people's problem with rpf is often along the lines of "it's creepy to write porn, specifically, about real currently living people." I haven't watched The Crown but I'd be surprised if it had the kind of sexually explicit content that rpf sometimes has.

[sparklywalls]

I think maybe the difference for people might be that things like The Crown more or less keep a fourth wall of sorts but RPF can stray into projecting your idea of someone onto the real person, potentially involving that person more than you’d involve an actor playing an interpretation of that person?

Idk. I’m not sure how others feel, I’m just speculating. I don’t care enough about our current royal family to watch The Crown but everything I see about it comes across as historical fiction, some of them just happen to still be alive. Whereas when I was in a bandom years ago some people seemed to genuinely believe the band were all secretly in love with one another and started sharing stuff with the band. Don’t think anyone is going to be chatting about their fanfic with Liz II any time soon.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally I don't necessarily have any problems with RPF as long as people aren't assholes about it

But it seems like there are some pretty stark differences here. For one thing, a lot of what people have a problem with about RPF is the specifically parasocial and the specifically pornographic elements of it - the idea that fans might show actors RPF pornog, or the idea that fans build these really intense fantasies around the human personal lives of people who didn't ask for it, or whatnot. And those concerns don't exist in situations like this.

Second, as you point out, a lot of the time things like this have the express permission of the subjects. But even when they don't, the subjects have a degree of control and recourse through the legal system. Much more so in Britain than the US, obviously, but there are significant constraints when you're making a big-budget biopic.

[(Anonymous)]

The anon above brings up a good point about sex scenes in RPF versus biopics. (Though I was the anon that got skeeved out by the male gaze in Tina Turner's rape scene, and how my male family members gathered around the TV for that...) I'd like to add my own take that biopics tend to carry the burden of appearing educational since they deal with historical events. Some of them will even get shown in schools as something to study.

That isn't to say that mainstream media featuring completely fantasy stuff about real life historical figures doesn't exist, like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Slayer (though possibly not the best example, because the book was very well researched from a history perspective), or the anime Yasuke. I just think there's more sensitivity in the mainstream field to "get things right," not only to not make a mockery of real life people being portrayed, and also not be incorrect to history. Biopics do get critiqued and discussed by people for failing to be historically accurate.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care for either.

Op here

[(Anonymous)]

Wow this is honestly a good discussion on the issue and I thank everyone that this hasn't devolved into mindless hate so far.

To elaborate more on what I was trying to get across,

I guess what I'm trying to point out is the hypocrisy of RPF hate. I just think it's weird that professionally made biopics are given a pass by fandom but RPF that maybe 1000 ppl max are going to read is considered horrible and invasive when they're pretty much in nature the same thing.

I mentioned the crown and the Judy garland film because both of them are probably the worse offenders of this and in many ways are worse to me than the most depraved RPF fanfic written because:

1. People are actively profiting off of your story and traumas

2. You can't control the narrative of your history and it may contribute to a sizable public believing some untrue things written in the show/movie for dramatisation.

3. Those celebrities in question have to be confronted with it publicly and asked about their opinion by news stations/paparazzi (aka revisiting tramatic events).

Imo it's worse to have something so public closely mirror your reality that large chunks of the public now believe are true/could have happened Vs I dunno insert your worse most depraved fanfic that like 99% of people are not going to take seriously and maybe 1 or 2 crazy people think are true.

Heck at least the fanfic is usually locked to the site (thus the likelihood of the actual person coming across it extremely rare/nonexistent) and are actually prefaced with - this is a piece of fiction. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I read somewhere that the royals actually tried to get "the crown" to preface their show with that line and failed.

Ultimately, the issue is that RPF is a lot more nuanced than people are willing to concede. People have a knee jerk hatred of RPF that isn't really fair on the intent and scope of the creators.

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I think making money off the fictional lives of real living people is much worse than writing fully-disclaimed RPF about them. My opinion used to be confined to tabloids and gossip magazines and gossip websites, but now it's Prestige Drama, and...gross. Wait until everyone involved is dead, please. (Ruth Wilson playing her own grandmother in Mrs Wilson is a good example of doing it right!)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm with you, OP. People have a knee-jerk "it's wrong" reaction to RPF without appreciating grey areas or nuance. Not every RPF fan are harassing celebs, I'd argue not even most are. People judge RPF by the worst of the fandom and it's not cool.
The hypocrisy of people who hate RPF is what gets me. fine, don't like RPF but also don't read gossip mags and don't consume any media that is "based on a real life person" or you're being a hypocrite imo.

[(Anonymous)]

There is literally no difference between Schindler's List and an NHL gang bang fic.

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I've never understood the hate for RPF, especially considering just how much discussion of actor's private lives goes on in fandom spaces, including speculation about their love lives and whatnot.

And the 'they show actors their porny stories!!' thing is...c'mon. That doesn't happen often, and to some actors it happens *never*, and if you really think every person who writes or reads RPF is like that, you're very confused (universal you, not OP).

[(Anonymous)]

Some people are hypocrites. I mean, yeah, some people who dislike RPF also dislike biopics unless the real people are involved or have given their approval.

And, for some, yes, it's partly about the explicit RPF (but a lot of these people don't acknowledge that there is a fair amount of non-porn RPF).

Plus, yes, tinhatters are awful, though they not exclusive to RPF (no, seriously, there have been some manifestos about fiction ships or 'secret' episodes that are just... something), they do often come with it, but they are only a fraction of the people in the fandoms. They often seem so prominent not just because they are loud and fanatic, but because others in the fandom try to travel under the radar a lot.

Also, I don't know how many times I've seen something like, "I don't really go for RPF, except for this one ship." Some of not wanting to admit that yeah, okay, RPF isn't the evilest evil to ever evil is due to the negativity that they will get.

I'm going to consider someone a hypocrite if they are fine with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood or Pam & Tommy, but are not okay with slice-of-life RPF not written by a tinhatter.

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[(Anonymous)]

Same, OP. Witness had a really cool concept (once you got to the end), but yeah, the other thing that sticks with me about it was the pointless nudity.

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[(Anonymous)]

You and me both, Anon. I got a kick out of it.

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[(Anonymous)]

People like Link more? I never got that impression but I only occasionally hop into the subreddit.

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[(Anonymous)]

Lmao preach. This is like half the content in my current main fandom

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[(Anonymous)]

Omg I was just going to make a secret about this. Mine was going to be about how concerning it is to see people act like Charlotte was absolutely black and being mad that they didn't learn about it in school. I saw one Tumblr twit post about how she was mad she "had to learn about England's black queen from Bridgerton" and I died a little inside. It's explicitly an AU...

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Using SJW unironically invalidates this entire secret.

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