[ SECRET POST #5261 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5261 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately it's now everywhere, both on Reddit and outside of it. Much of online fandom in 2021 just feels like hating on other fans for sport as opposed to loving a franchise, presumably stemming from spoiled brat behavior combined with a lack of empathy.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I mean you always got people like that in fandom. But now it just seems like it's the whole generation of young people.

[(Anonymous)]

It is everybody on the Internet regardless of age. It's not one fandom, one site, one group of people. It is every Internet community above a certain size. It's every social media site.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, every older fandom space I've been in has been relatively calm and nice with only occasional drama. The younger fandoms have been a festering pit of horribleness.

[(Anonymous)]

My theory is that a chunk of the 'grown up' part of this problem are people who were in the early brainrot years of sites like Tumblr. Fuck it, to throw the dart at the board someone between a homestuck, glee and/or superwholock fan.

[(Anonymous)]

Internet toxicity exists outside of the fanfic-writing segments of the Internet

[(Anonymous)]

Tumblr isn't a fanfic writing site. And if you try and use it as such, it sucks.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course. When I said "fanfic writing segment of the Internet" I meant the fandom communities that have historically viewed writing, reading, and sharing fanfic, mostly on the internet, as important and constitutive activities (as opposed to other fandom communities that haven't emphasized fanfiction - sometimes there's even overlap within the same fandoms). Those communities have frequently used Tumblr as a major space for social interactions, and Homestuck, Glee and Superwholock were all big things within this part of fandom. So when someone talks about internet toxicity and references, Tumblr, Superwholock, glee and homestuck, I think they're talking about those fandom communities, and my point is that internet toxicity isn't limited to those communities. So I don't agree that you can blame internet toxicity on growing up in those spaces.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok fair - I was just being an asshole throwing in particular fandoms and just thinking back on the time when certain fandoms seemed... a bit much.

But I do stand by that a certain era of Tumblr, moreso the platform rather than as fandoms, certainly cultivated a lot of what we have today. Like I do agree there has always been a batshit/horrible side to fandom - but in places like Livejournal and specialized forums back in the day, it was contained and only involved people who were into the area of interest they signed up for when getting into fandoms.

With sites like Tumblr and Twitter, its never been more easier to see whats going on in other fandoms even if its nothing of personal interest. Which is fine until someone sees a post they don't have the whole context for and make wrongs assumptions (ie: "Oh this looks like this show is romanticizing a toxic relationship and therefore that's what's happening" - but said relationship is actually a lot more complicated and makes more sense to anyone watching the original context), or you might be sick of seeing a fandom with zero interest.
I can't speak for twitter, but being on Tumblr since 2010 I've seen a lot of changes to the site that meant in early years there was no way to block out tags (if people bothered to use tagging) until xkit got introduced and eventually got introduced as a function on the website (not that it always works well either).

Point being - for a good solid ten years of a fandom hub like Tumblr has had it's influence on fandom that has gotten a lot more argumentative and honestly its own lack of boundaries one way or another when you're seeing everything that's going on in different fandoms or whatever was going on the site; like stepping on each others toes in a crowded room.
And you're right this isn't just on Tumblr; because there's been many points where either the site looked like it was going down for good, the porn band and various other reasons for people leaving the site - and with that people have migrated to other sites/apps and taken a lot of the attitude with them and introducing them on platforms like Twitter, which in turn people who are new to fandom spaces on other platforms follow along - like this idea that fandom can be a form of activism and not participating as such is 'problematic' (and that's just one thing among many other BS that have been dragged onto other platforms).

This in addition to the fact that unlike the earlier years of fandoms, where people largely used their laptop/desktop to access fandom - nowadays it can all be accessed by smartphone 24/7 wherever you go and can be a lot easier to get absorbed into growing drama without a break.

Sorry for the ridiculously long comment. I think about how things have changed a lot lol.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep

[(Anonymous)]

That's disappointing and it's not just Reddit, I'm afraid. Pretty much everywhere I go has people bashing each other's ships unless the fandom is really small.

[(Anonymous)]

+10000

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like Tumblr had "DON'T TAG YOUR HATE" but I don't know how to phrase that for Reddit/twitter/Instagram.

[(Anonymous)]

aw I was considering signing up to reddit for fandom stuff :( I might as well sign up for twitter if its just gonna have the same bs.

[(Anonymous)]

It really depends on the subreddit, its rules, and the mods in my experience.

[(Anonymous)]

What fandom, if I may ask?

[(Anonymous)]

The specific post I referenced was on a the sub for Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Someone was looking for Bucky X Leah fan art and the only reply thread I saw was basically "Gross you must fetishize asian women and be anti-black women." Which is really unhelpful feedback to someone looking for fan art!

(It's why I used AxD and AxC because clearly the AxB pairing for that show is SamBucky.)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry you had that experience. I've found that FATWS fandom in general is ... very unpleasant about pairings that compete with Bucky/Sam and Bucky/Sarah, among a lot of other things.

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't my post, and I like both pairings. I like every pairing in FatWS. I'm just fandom grandma shocked that people are so rude to each other, and it made me realize I see it all the time now.

The MCU has the problem that all of 'babies first fandom's have. It's huge and has great stuff but it attracts all sorts and people get emotionally invested.

I'm having a blast on tumblr/ao3/reddit but goddamn the breakdown in etiquette is upsetting. Or maybe there never was etiquette I could just do a better job curating my own experience on LJ and even tumblr.

[(Anonymous)]

They are, but also they're hyper-critical about those pairings too! It's like Finn from Star Wars all over again, where the end result is that only people who are extremely oblivious ever write the character because otherwise they'll be attacked.