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Might be some repeats from when LJ crashed thkgjhf

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//, I think that the movie doesn't show it as "Belle needs the Beast"-- it's the other way around. THE BEAST is the one that needs Belle.//

Thank you, thank you! Belle was the active one who wore the pants (or the skirt) in the relationship, because she confronted the Beast and told him "hey sir, your'e doing it WRONG". Which is what he urgently *needed* to change from the jerkass he was into the great guy he ended up as.

I've seen the Beast accused of being abusive and horrible, Belle being called "weak and submissive" and the whole movie referred to as "promotion of female abuse". Makes me go all "WTF" every single time.

UGH, I get so irrationally angry when people portray Belle as a battered woman that can't stand up for herself. The Beast rarely even TOUCHES her, and at one point when he yells at her too much she marches straight out the door, "promise or no promise". The only reason she went back is because he made an active effort to apologize and treat her better. She only starts falling in love with him when he starts being sweet and kind! THIS IS NOT AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP, and Belle has a backbone, dang it!

Yeah, favorite movie ever, so I get very emotional about it. >.>;

I know! whenever I see people dismiss Belle's feelings for Beast as "Stockholm Syndrome" and/or bash the movie with that in mind, I go all "okay, *what* movie where you watching? Because that's NOT Beauty and the Beast".

Belle defied a whole town by reading complicated books and wanting more in her life, defied the storngest and most influential man in there for rejecting his marriage proposal, went to rescue her dad single-handedly, changed the lives of *everyone* in the castle... And despite all her awesome, she's STILL accused of weakness and/or throwing her dreams away?

Head on, apply directly to the forehead. Repeteadly. Nonstop.

I'm starting to feel like rampant "feminism" (note the quotation marks, I'm aware this isn't true feminism) has made it so that a female character can't be viewed as "strong" unless she's some sort of badass, unemotional fighting machine. Strength can be shown in more ways than how many men you can drop kick. I don't think having emotions is a bad thing, either.

Really, I'm about ready to rewatch the movie next chance I get and write up an essay on their relationship for Ship Manifesto. XD; I've seen this sort of stuff about Belle way too much.

I know what you mean, so much. I detest the idea that you can't be sensitive *and* strong if you're female, or something. Kinda goes against the whole idea of "female liberation", you know? >>

Please do! Sounds like an awesome idea, after all. Belle/Beast needs more love, they're awesome. =D

PS: Yay for Princess Tutu RP! <3

Mmhm. To me, it's sort of a step backwards. We're labeling stereotypical "male" traits onto women in order to make them seem "strong"--which isn't always a bad thing (a female in a typical male role is interesting to explore in fiction, I think), but can often be. I'd rather see more encouragement for men being able to be emotional and take an interest in the arts without the assumption that they must be gay or unmanly.

I actually haven't thought too much about their relationship before but examining them in this sort of context is making me appreciate the movie even more. XD Which I keep thinking I've hit the point where I can't love the movie more but I never do.

P.S. Eee, Princess Tutu fan! <3

Joyfully and happily rampant feminist here. I agree; I feel that a lot of commentators bash female characters and then turn around to say, "No, we're doing this because we want to Empower Women! Just as long as they Q, H, A, and Z and never S, P, V, and B."

And it's so counter-productive.

Ugh I HATE that! I mean I hate it in every sense, I hate liberals who declare that they accept everyone but if you don't agree with their beliefs they think you're stupid, I hate people who are all about "empowering!" but they won't let you make your own decisions, the so called unpopular kids who are just as bitchy and closed minded as the popular ones, so if you don't "not care" enough they don't like you, why can't people do what THEY want and not what you think they SHOULD want?

That being said this is super off topic.

I'm starting to feel like rampant "feminism" (note the quotation marks, I'm aware this isn't true feminism) has made it so that a female character can't be viewed as "strong" unless she's some sort of badass, unemotional fighting machine. Strength can be shown in more ways than how many men you can drop kick.

HALLELUJAH. (Or sleep with. Or seduce. Or screw over.)

THIS. Someone besides me finally said it. Huzzah!

Woah woah woah. The only one in the entire town who said that Belle was anything other than odd was that moron Gaston. (Well, and those three girls who were in love with Gaston. But that had nothing to do with her reading.) You can't judge the entire town by how Gaston treats her.

And from their perspective Belle was odd. They didn't say she was bad. Gaston was the only one in the entire movie who even implied she should stop.

IIRC, their attitude was still condescending towards her. Like "oh, why can't this girl be more like the others? She's always reading, always a cloud cuckoo lander! Unlike us!"

It might have not been as direct as Gaston's own PoV, but it still implied that Belle's intrests weren't seen in the best light.

Totally agree!

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