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⌈ Secret Post #773 ⌋

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Let 'em have their fun. After all, the cat's out of the bag from no less than four reliable spoiler sources. Check OG if you don't believe it.

Ianto is a dead cert, forgive the pun, and Jack is going to cause his death, and Ianto dies knowing Jack will forget about him during his long life. The next time we will see Jack is in Doctor Who specials, so he will meet the new Doctor and have unrequited love with him without any thought to past holes and you will be one of the only happy people in the fandom.

If I were you I would be sitting back, chillaxin', knowing that legions of fangirls are going to be distraught and canibalizing each other, while you get the last laugh.

I refuse to believe it, because I want it so badly. Especially if it plays out exactly that way. With my luck Jack will spend Series 4 in a Doctor like mope.

Of course if it did happen and then they went with Jack/Gwen the JIers would scream that Gwen only "won" by default. (Of course they refuse to acknowledge that Ianto only "won" by default because of Gwen's engagement.)

And I've heard other spoilers which make it sound more like the schmoopy-oopy curtain-buyers are going to get everything they ever wanted.

I find it absolutely impossible to believe that GDL can be removed from his position on the show any way but kicking and screaming so the idea that he asked to be written out, is unlikely.

I'm still planning a wake for Real!Jack who is going to be sacrificed on theh alter of fanservice and RTD's fetish for Ianto as his personal Mary Sue.

On the other hand...if I'm wrong and I get to dance on the grave of this miserable pairing and get my WLB/BUFT convictions proven, I will come back here and genuflect to your wonderfulness for attempt to sooth my troubled brow.

And I've heard other spoilers which make it sound more like the schmoopy-oopy curtain-buyers are going to get everything they ever wanted.

There's going to be some relationship development in S3, but it's only to make the sucker punch that much more painful.

The sources who have confirmed Ianto's death are the very same who broke the news about Tosh and Owen, and the series going down to 5 episodes, back when no one would believe it.

It's legit, mate. Talk about RTD all you want, but he has never shied away from doing spectacularly cruel shite to characters/actors he "loves," and he has, more than once, expressed his thrill at giving fans the two-fingered salute.

Finger crossed and bless you for tidings of comfort and joy.

Six months later, and I'm back to thank you, although you'll probably never see it. I didn't want to believe you because I was afraid to hope, but you were right and i did hang on to your post as a glimmer of hope when everyone was insisting that S3 was going to be the J/I shmoopathon.

*HUGS*

I used the track button, as always on f!s.

I suspect you are feeling quite gleeful at the "victory," but it came with a really incredible cost. post-COE!Jack's not real!Jack either, and ABI turned out to be "you can kill anyone but Ianto, don't take him!"

I thought it was portrayed as a realistic relationship, not yet fully sketched, still with secrets and dismissive moments and taking for granted and imbalanced idolising and uncertainties, that both partners valued in different ways and the one left behind will clearly mourn it. Jack wouldn't say he loved him, but even my J/I-weary soul saw that he did. Not in "a love of a lifetime", because, really, Jack will have so many of those as to lose count, but the grief and despair and affection and yes, love, were plain as day.

I hope you won't entirely discount it, because the aftermath of the death (the actual death was a bit corny but, ymmv) and the actions that follow, quite frankly, John Barrowman knocked it out of the park in a way that I didn't even think he was capable of. The only time he's come close is that look he gave when the TARDIS vanished from the game station.

And his final scene, with the several intertwined dead character's themes playing behind it as he recites all those who he has lost? Holy fucking shit, man. It's promising, in that Jack can start all over after some serious healing, but what he had to do to get there was harsh.

Still, lots to play with in the fanon world for all sides, though.

As you can imagine, I see it slightly differently. Jack's a mess. And he's gonna be a mess for awhile. A mess who fucks his way through time and space making up for a lot of lost time. (Let's assume he was being monogamous because of the emotional blackmail.) I see him diving into a threesome with the first pretty things he can find in the first space-bar he lands in.

I think Jack would have reacted pretty much the same way to the death of any team member who'd been unlucky enough to end up in that room. This is guilt-ridden, abandonment issue Jack. Do you think he wouldn't have been screaming pretty much the same thing for Gwen or Tosh or Owen? Obviously the writers put Ianto in the room so that could be the scene, but it don't spell anything more special about Ianto than any of Jack's other Torchwood shags over the years.

The inter-twined names didn't start or end with Ianto. It's like pizza, Ianto, save the world.

Pretty much every single spoiler for how much Jack wuvs Ianto or wants Ianto proved not as bad as expected, including the famous "gagging for it scene."

Plus, even if you take every single moment and spin it the schmoopiest possible J/I way, it still ended with dead Ianto. No more J/I. EVER, which is more than I could have hoped for. (And I'm sorry, if he couldn't say it in THAT moment of all moments....not so much.

And come now...losing Ianto vs losing the DOCTOR? Really? Not even close.

If there is a TW S4, it will Jack and ABI. Either Jack/Gwen or Jack and his friendship with Gwen, the one he actually confided in. Since we know there will be Jack in at least one of the Who specials, I have to believe there will be the swagger and the smile and "Captain Jack Harkness," and he will be real!Jack.

I know it's a bleak and ugly world for a lot of people in TW land right now, but as a single-issue voter, I'm not complaining at all.

Thanks again. I'll be doing my post about the whole week in a few days and thanking your lovely anonymous self, who-ever you are. No, I won't link over here, so the stalkers won't come bothering you.

Huh. I always used to think the anonymeme was unfair to you, but, I must hand it to you. You really do have a fascinating lens on the world. I'm sort of glad I don't share it, if I may be so blunt.

One point I will clarify: I didn't say Jack was as upset over all of this as he was over the Doctor. I said John Barrowman's acting was the best it has ever been since that scene at the end of "Parting of the Ways."

I wouldn't get my hopes too far up regarding your real!Jack in either Doctor Who or Torchwood Series 4, by the way. While Doctor Who is a given, I think you'll be surprised by the context of his appearance. As for Series 4 of Torchwood, expect a whole new construct, very likely not including Jack. But what do I know? It's not like I have a history of providing information months in advance. :)

Like I said: single issue voter. I got what I needed and I'm happy for now. I can watch Season 1 & 2 of TW again. I can look at my action toys. I can listen to John's music. All of that was being poisoned for me by the fears of canon schmoop.

So I assume DW Jack will not have his swagger or smile? It's a pity, but he's still got thousands of years to get them back. (Even if he doesn't forget Ianto in a thousand years, he's still got a lot of thousands after that.)

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