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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-02-18 05:15 pm

[ SECRET POST #775 ]


⌈ Secret Post #775 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Non-Adventures of Wonderella, Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog]


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[Hey! Arnold]


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[The Revengers Tragedy, Ambitioso/Supervacuo]


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[Sam Anders, Battlestar Galactica]


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[Hannah Montana]


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[Dark Tower]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 147 secrets from Secret Submission Post #111.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
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[identity profile] ali-wildgoose.livejournal.com 2009-02-18 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I disagree. Manga and Anime are increasingly international businesses, and the American market continues to grow in importance and influence.

Also, once they're brought over to America, those manga and anime become a part of OUR media and OUR culture, with just as much influence over us and how we perceive the world as the comics and animation we create ourselves. Essays pointing out the problematic handling of race and gender in Japanese media is intended for the Americans who're now consuming it, to help them make informed choices about what they buy and to push them to question what lies behind the content they're reading.

(Anonymous) 2009-02-18 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I disagree on your first point, I do agree on the second as that is the "critical eye" I was talking about.

When asked about if they ever think their shows were going to be broadcast or sold in America, most production studios said such a thought never crossed their minds. 90% of profit made by the Anime industry is generated in Japan. Just listen to the Staff Commentary from FLCL or Eureka Seven or even the ultra-popular Ghibli movies; when they talk about cultural references and how the directors never considered the possibility of their product becoming international.

I actually believe that the best products of Anime and Manga are those that are intrinsically Japanese; like MindGame or Mononoke.

[identity profile] ali-wildgoose.livejournal.com 2009-02-18 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I think those staff commentaries may say more about perception than reality, as they aren't the ones who have to worry about international licensing and distribution. Also, speaking more generally, there seems to be a larger, deep-rooted perception of Japan as an isolated, self-contained society that has been seriously out of date for decades.

It'll be interesting to see how things continue to change over time!

(Anonymous) 2009-02-18 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
The staff are those that make the anime. People that worry about international licensing or distribution have no say over content.

(Anonymous) 2009-02-19 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
As the market for anime and manga expands in the west, and the new audience's response grows correspondingly, the people in charge over in Japan will eventually have to sit up and notice. It will come to a point where to not do would be bad business. Globalism is a beautiful thing like that. And criticizing the negative aspects will help speed that along. A handwaving argument like yours doesn't take into account the reality of this industry's potential for growth.

(Anonymous) 2009-02-18 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Opinions differ. I don't see what would be so insulting about anime or manga portraying a different kind of ideals in their narrative. They're not intended to create a perception of reality. They're relatively low-reach fiction that have no responsibility with society; they're free to be about whatever they want to be about.

And I don't think "informed opinions" are created by reading articles about the fiction but rather books on social analysis and philosophy. Analyzing the fiction itself only leads us to understand the writer and the work, not how is it relevant to our world.

[identity profile] ali-wildgoose.livejournal.com 2009-02-18 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
What people are talking about, here, isn't portraying a "different kind of ideals." The handling of black characters in Manga and Anime, for instance, is often appalingly offensive and has been for a very long time.

Media critique is just as relevant and useful as social analysis and philosophy. Our media reflects the way we see the world and, in turn, shapes our perceptions of it as well. And the added distance of fictions often makes it easier to discuss charged topics like race.