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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-08-12 05:19 pm

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Re: Advice for traveling

(Anonymous) 2021-08-13 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, I understand not wanting to be a killjoy, but your friend is making some poor choices. Maybe those poor choices deserve some censure? The CDC is currently recommending that everyone mask up in public indoor places, even if they're vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html

And:

On January 12, 2021, CDC announced an Order requiring all air passengers arriving to the US from a foreign country to get tested no more than 3 days before their flight departs and to present the negative result or documentation of having recovered from COVID-19 to the airline before boarding the flight. Air passengers will also be required to confirm that the information they present is true in the form of an attestation. This Order is effective as of 12:01am EST (5:01am GMT) on January 26, 2021.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html


Here's where to find the stats for Texas, with data by county:

https://dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/AdditionalData.aspx

In addition, you might want to ask her:

* Does she understand that she's traveling to an area full of unvaccinated mouth-breathers, the majority of whom won't be masked up or observing proper social distancing and sanitation?

* Does she know what the local laws are about being in public spaces, public/private gatherings, what businesses are open, etc.?

* Does she have a plan in case she gets sick? Does she realize that healthcare is very expensive in the U.S. and that hospitals are very crowded right now? Where will she stay if she gets sick? Who's going to take care of her for the days/weeks/months it takes for her to recuperate?

* Does she have a plan if her country OR the U.S. decides to close its borders while she's here and she gets stuck in the U.S. until she's allowed to return home? Again, where's she going to stay? Does she have enough money to support herself while she's stuck here? What if her internet friends flake, what are her plans then?

* Does she drive, can she rent a car? Is she dependent upon someone else for transportation? Because public transport in the U.S. is not good, and of course, it's going to be a high risk environment.

Re: Advice for traveling

(Anonymous) 2021-08-13 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the questions here. I will try to figure out a way to ask them to her and get the scope of her plans.

She isn't much into detailed plans when it comes to going out so I feel that she prob hasn't thought too hard into very hard situations like you posed here because it seems like she's relying on her fully vacc status as a trust fall if she gets sick.

I'm trying to find ways to phrase things so it doesn't look I fully disprove her traveling because she's very stubborn about these things.

If I hint that I find her friends potentially untrustworthy or that the situation is
high risk/precarious she will not listen and tell me that this all could change in the next few months and downplay the Delta variant in terms of herself getting it. It is all very frustrating to talk to her about this. She has already shut me down about her meeting her friends when I said they could flake on her recently.

Re: Advice for traveling

(Anonymous) 2021-08-13 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, because you obviously care about your friend but you can't protect her from her own willful stupidity. This is not a good time to be traveling to the U.S., much less a COVID hotspot where people aren't being very careful. It's particularly stupid to try this when you have little experience with international travel and are determined not to do research or make plans. Your friend is not smart, and she's making bad choices. There's only so much you can do about that, especially if she's determined not to listen to sound advice.

A lot can change within a few months, and maybe with any luck your friend will be too much of an idiot to realize that there might be rules for entering the U.S. and she won't be able to do it.

Re: Advice for traveling

(Anonymous) 2021-08-13 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
I am only hoping that she will reconsider somehow if/when it gets worse from schools reopening.

At this point I can only really sit back and hope she doesn't go through with it and come out worse for it.

I have even tried getting her to consider alternative plans where her US friends come to Canada instead later in Nov where it isn't nearly as bad but to no luck.

Thanks for your input here, I feel like I'm being too much of a downer but maybe I'm being the right amount of practical. :/

Re: Advice for traveling

(Anonymous) 2021-08-13 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think you're a downer. I think that at best, your friend is being foolishly over-optimistic and refusing to consider the very real possibility that her plans are flawed. But honestly, that's a very generous take. My suspicion is that your friend is one of those self-absorbed fuckwits who thinks that their desire to do fun stuff trumps the grim reality of a deadly disease and an over-burdened healthcare system. The fact that she'd rather risk her own health and the health of everyone she might potentially infect just to meet some internet friends speaks volumes.

Re: Advice for traveling

(Anonymous) 2021-08-13 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
You're not being a downer. Arm her with all of this information and whatever choice she makes, she makes, but at least it won't be made out of ignorance. Might be a stupid decision, but it's her decision and as long as the facts are known, you don't need to feel guilty about whatever happens.

Re: Advice for traveling

(Anonymous) 2021-08-13 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
i feel you, i met with a friend i hadn't seen in a long time and she was super blasé about getting vaccinated, talking about how she'll just "wait out until they have made a vaccine against delta as well so i don't have to get vaccinated twice" and i had such a hard time responding without preaching.

but on the other hand, like, dude.