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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-08-23 05:39 pm

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Re: What are some of the most annoying fic things you hate?

(Anonymous) 2021-08-24 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
I read a really good breakdown of why epithets are such bad writing, and unfortunately I can't find it right now. But it brought up a great point that hadn't even occurred to me before: using epithets can come off as subtly condescending to the reader, because it's reminding them of a trait the character has that the reader doesn't need reminding of. The example they used was calling Sherlock Holmes "the detective." It's like duh, we know he's a detective, no need to hammer it in.

Re: What are some of the most annoying fic things you hate?

(Anonymous) 2021-08-24 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
One thing I don't like about epithets like that is that it can be jarringly distancing depending on who the narrator is and what their relationship is.

For someone who just met him and only knows him in the professional capacity to think of Sherlock Holmes as "the detective" is natural. For Watson to think of him that way when they're cuddling in bed is a record-scratch moment that throws me right out of the story.

Re: What are some of the most annoying fic things you hate?

(Anonymous) 2021-08-24 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
DA - Yeah, I think these two things together are a big part of what make them so clunky. First and foremost, most of them are flatly impersonal, in a way that almost never strengthens and usually weakens the emotional context of the scene.

When the epithet is not impersonal, that's usually when I feel like it's in a gray area of "might be okay to use, but be careful about it." I'm talking about things like, "Dean looked at his brother," or "Scully looked at her partner." I think the issue with relationship-specific epithets is that even though they aren't impersonal, they do abstractify the relationship between the characters. Which is why, in my examples, I felt inclined to use the verb "look." Because one character looking at the other often implies that character is considering the other. Which is an instance where it could potentially work to have that character thinking about their relationship with the other person in the abstract. But if you switch it to, "Dean called his brother from the hospital," or "Scully cocked a brow at her partner," I'm back to feeling like there are better ways to write those lines without epithets.

And then, on top of either impersonalizing or abstractifying the relationship between the characters, it's also giving you information you don't need. Which, as the other anon said, may feel condescending to the reader. But I think more often than not it's just that our brains instinctively register a descriptor like "the detective" or "the tall man" as information which needs to be mentally processed, yet we get nothing out of that seeming information; it's hollow. The part of your brain that's responsible for making largely unconscious blink-of-an-eye decisions has been bait and switched on a micro level, and it drives a little tiny wedge between your mind and the narrative.