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[ SECRET POST #5354 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5354 ⌋

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I feel like if anything, art is underpaid.
Sure, there's a lot of art for free...but that's from passion & generosity and other people are allowed to want compensation for time & effort spent? You're equally free to not want to donate into that model but they're free to try. If they're doing a lot of this, I guess someone's paying...

I mean... not really?

Sure, if we're talking commissions, but if you're making something for your own love of the character/ship/fandom/whatever, that's called a hobby. Posting it on social media for the enjoyment of others in the same fandom isn't some kind of a business model or whatever, it's sharing a love of a thing and saying "this is what it inspired me to do".

And let's not even get started on the issues surrounding monetisation of fanworks in the first place, when fandom spend decades having to add "not for profit" in capslock on every work they shared.

So because people had to put NOT FOR PROFIT disclaimers on their work in the past, no one can profit from fanworks now? That doesn't make any sense. No one is allowed to make money off hobbies now because you don't like it?

Are you being obtuse on purpose? The reason for those disclaimers is still very much present and existent. AO3 has a strict 'no links to monetary gain' rule in place for that exact reason.

The risk of legal action isn't "in the past" just because fandom has turned capitalist.

If your concern is with the legal risk, then frame it as a question of legal risk. That's not a moral consideration. It's also largely up to individual people and individual websites what kind of risk they want to expose themselves to in terms of legal action. It's not your position to dictate terms to all fan creators everywhere of what kind of behavior is acceptable.

...at what point did I ever claim it was a moral consideration?

It's a legal issue. Full stop. And it doesn't just affect you and your shitty paywalled 'art', it affects everyone who wants to produce fan content for the IP you're illegally trying to sell for personal gain.

You're the asshole here, not the people trying to explain why.

It's not your position to dictate terms to all fan creators everywhere of what kind of behavior is acceptable.

No, it's not: it's the law's position, which is quite clear in explicitly stating monetizing fanworks is very much Not Acceptable.

The people in this thread are trying to explain this to you. They're not dictating terms, they are stating them. You know, as facts.

But sure, go off because you want clicks for your patreon or whatever.

Their is no 'individual' risk in this case. One case can knock the whole house of cards down and ruin it for everyone.

It's happening right now and the edifice is not tumbling down

Doesn't change the fact that it could, or that if it does it's not only the individual who would face the consequences.

You seem to have no counterpoint to anyone, beyond "well it's happening anyway so there!" and "la la la I don't care".

Exactly. It's something that would hurt all fans if creators decide they want to forbid any sort of fanworks.

It's not morally wrong, and it's clearly not an existential threat to the existence of fandom. So the problem that people have with it clearly has much more to do with some imagined idea of "the good ol' days of fandom" than it does with any issue actually caused by commercial fanworks, as further seen throughout this thread. And I don't think nostalgic ideas about "the good ol' days of fandom" are a good reason to say that no one should charge money for fanworks.

Bulletin. If you don't get why people are afraid of legal ramifications, whether or not they've hit your particular fandom yet, despite dozens of people repeatedly explaining it, you're so far up your own self-gain-obsessed ass it's not worth trying any more.

Have fun convincing yourself you're not an ass, I'm done.

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Have you seriously never heard of copyright laws?

No one is allowed to make money off hobbies now because you don't like it?

No, they are not allowed to make money off someone else's intellectual property because it's fucking illegal!

And yet the reality is that it happens constantly in fandom. It's happening right now as we speak.

and that doesn't make it okay, so your point?

Other crimes are committed every day as well. Somehow that doesn't make them any less illegal. So what's your point?

Something is not wrong simply because it's illegal, any more than something is right simply because it's legal

Your arms must be real tired from moving all those goalposts.

And it lives in a gray space where the right's holders are not pursuing punishment because it currently adds hype and DOESN'T cut into their profits. The moment that changes, goodbye gray space for everyone.

it's literally illegal to profit off of someone else's IP anon. you want to shill fic/art then do comms for OC's.

This, there are tons of people out there who want art for their D&D characters/FFXIV characters/OCs. Heck, one of my friends just dropped $90 for a comm of her D&D character and the artist had a whole queue solely for D&D characters. It's not like these artists would be hurting for money.

There's a big difference between a hobby that involves someone else's copyright intellectual property and one that doesn't. A big legal difference.

LMAO no you can't make money off fanworks because they're not yours.

There is a big, BIG difference between professional artists being underpaid for jobs they do and fan-artists trying to make a buck off of other people's intellectual property. Like a whole butt-load of legal difference.

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