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⌈ Secret Post #782 ⌋

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That the vast majority of people in senior positions involved in the making of these films are men, and they make films based on their interests? It's not a question of contempt, it just doesn't occur to them to include more than a handful of women, because it's not their experiences and stories they want (or are able) to tell.

It's sexist because it's perpetuating the societal mores that value women's stories less highly than men's, but you need more evidence than just your own personal assumptions to allege misogyny, without sounding like the kind of manhating batshit feminist that makes the rest of us look bad. Where's the contempt in the portrayal of these women?

Not the same anon, but I think your argument basically amounts to splitting hair here. There's a lot of overlapping when it comes to the ways sexism and misogyny manifest themselves; what matters is how they affect the world. When it comes down to it, the situation you pointed out with the majority of film makers being men who don't prioritize female characters simply because such characters lie outside their personal interests, that right there is a problem. That a) there are not more women in these executive positions and that b) the people in these positions do not see fit to promote egalitarianism even though they should given that their products are marketed as providing role models for children? These are problems, and they deserve much more attention than worries of how feminists are being perceived.

Oh I agree it's a problem, but ranting about misogyny like the previous anon when it's just sexism, doesn't actually get you anywhere, and probably makes things worse. Attacking Pixar as misogynist (hating women) immediately puts people on the defensive, and they end up pointing to how awesome their female characters are, which they wouldn't be if Pixar hated women. It's only when you get 3 or 4 layers down in the argument that the quantity of female representation as well as the quality of the female representation gets discussed, when that's actually the main problem.

On the other hand, if you make it a question of male privilege, you're not saying it's something that they are doing deliberately, but they are benefitting from the male domination of society, and the stories they tell are unintentionally perpetuating that culture of male domination. If they believe in equality, it's then a question of making a conscious effort to improve the situation rather than unconsciously supporting the status quo. Generally I find people respond better if they're given the benefit of the doubt for their inadequacies and shown ways that they can improve, rather than feel like they're being judged for their failings.

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