[ SECRET POST #5371 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5371 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not entirely sure what any of this means. Am I old and stupid? I know about the whole "this entire book is a sausage fest and no good female characters blah blah" argument but what's this about bigotry and other horrible stuff? Maybe I should just stay out of online fandom altogether if a Norse-saga-style-epic-fantasy about little guys doing their part and the horrors of war never being far from our borders is now bigoted and worse.

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[(Anonymous)]

There are a bunch of black authors like Kieron Gillen and N.K. Jemisin who say orcs are black stereotypes. I think that’s a possible way of looking at it, but I don’t think it’s entirely fair. Especially when you get into the transformative works argument—Jemisin says orcs are a terrible trope that can never be redeemed, and meanwhile I see all these trans women who make art of attractive orcs who have body types like trans women.

(Kind of reminds me of the goblincore argument. People with ADHD cheerfully think of themselves as goblins, and then these Jewish bloggers lecture them for spreading stereotypes about Jews. Seems unfair to the ADHD folks who just wanted to express their feelings about their own minds and habits.)

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[(Anonymous)]

If you really want to go that way, goblins would be a Mongolian or steppe people stereotype at worst. I think this truly says something about those authors who intentionally see people with their skin colour as a bunch of fantasy creatures that aren't even meant to stereotype THEM. God, what a stupid argument.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Kieron Gillen talks about his issues with Tolkein (see the notes for his comic "Die"), but he isn't black!