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[ SECRET POST #5374 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5374 ⌋

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[Doctor Who EU]

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[Logical Journey of the Zoombinis]

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[Project Runway Season 17]

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07. https://i.imgur.com/kilKoma.png

I saw that avatar immediately, and felt my fight-or-flight instincts kick in. Thank you unironically for the memories, OP.

I did have a similar sentiment as you, but I also lack the historical chops for it. The best I'd be able to do is reblog from more knowledgeable people.

See this is the problem. There's so much actually interesting history there and I would love to know the truth of it all. Unfortunately, it's a subject that seems to attract the crazies on both sides. :/

... oh my god I'd actually forgotten about her and all that drama.

Somehow I recognize this icon and name despite having no idea what this secret is about.

Writing With Color is still around, if that counts.

And then it turned out that she got exposed for having lied about her race - she was completely white and pretended to be Roma and Native American, with ridiculous percentages (40% Lakota or something).

I think what ethnicity she claimed to be changed over time and who she was arguing with, didn't it? Or am I thinking of another self-appointed internet expert?

I wouldn't know because I never really saw her interacting with people - I learned about the whole thing after she was exposed. There's probably a LOT of "self-appointed internet experts" who do that, though. :D

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Uh, why is that percentage ridiculous?
26/64 = 40.625% (1 grandparent {1/4=16/64}, 1 great-grandparent {1/8=8/64}, and 1 great, great, great grandparent {1/32=2/64} in different lines)
51/128 = 39.84375% (1 grandparent {1/4=32/128}, 1 great-grandparent {1/8=16/128}, 1 great, great, great, great grandparent {1/64=2/128}, and 1 great, great, great, great, great grandparent {1/128} in different lines) hard to track, but not impossible
Rounding either of those to 40% seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Now, that's not to say that this person wasn't making it up, just that any percentage is feasible if you can go back far enough.

Because she said her dad was Native American and her grandmother was Roma.

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Okay. Many tribes have their own ways of determining whether someone is of that tribe (for some it is at least 1/2, for others its being able to trace lineage back to a group of tribe members). If someone is more than half, most tribes would call that person a member of that tribe and that person would likely consider themselves Native American. So, her father could consider himself fully Lakota, but actually be about 80% (1 parent full, 1 parent half, plus some ancestry further back for the non-Native American grandparent), making her 40% claim true and her maternal grandmother could be Roma. Or he could be 75% which would make this person 37.5% (which could be rounded to 40) and her maternal grandmother could be Roma or her paternal grandmother could be half Roma.

So, I'm not saying she was telling the truth, I'm just saying that a percentage like that with the given racial/ethnic labels is not impossible. Ancestry can be weird and confusing and I find it fascinating. All that being said, I'm probably missing a lot of information. I was just mostly reacting to idea that someone couldn't be 40% something.

I will never cease to be baffled at this incredibly American bloodline percentage nonsense.

bloodlines are very important for TRIBAL systems of government and leadership, not AMERICAN definitions (though there have been those historically, like the 'one drop' rule and all that shit). but casting a spurious eye on tribal systems for using a bloodline to determine tribal inclusion is not AMERICAN because native tribes are NOT AMERICAN. -a native who does not identify with colonial culture

Yeah, no, to the rest of the world, "I'm x % this ethnicity" is one of the most American things you can say.

Then the rest of the world is willfully ignorant about tribal culture. We already knew that, but thank you for proving it further.

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It is a little weird, but in the case of Native Americans, it can have actual legal consequences. Because it has to do with how each member gets federal and tribal benefits - including things like healthcare or money from any businesses the tribe might own (like, say, a casino). Reservations are under federal jurisdiction, but there is some weirdness because the US is set up as state system (there are several tribes in the state where I live and years back the federal government sent money earmarked for Native American education and the state took some of it and the tribes had to sue to get the money where it was supposed to go).

Percentages and fractions of ethnicities are important for other minority groups too for similar reasons, such as financial aid for education. Chalking it up to stupid American nonsense really shows how eager people are to turn their noses up at anything American without even understanding why it exists.

You know what? Even if there was no reason for Americans to talk about their percentages other than it being fun, it would still be harmless. If any other country were known for having people who could do that, the world would think it was awesome.

Eh, while that's true, she was also saying that he grew up on a reservation in the wrong state for that particular tribe, so Occam's razor says that she's one of those people who doesn't know how genetics works and thinks you can add up percentages.

I say go for it. You can block people on Tumblr, you can curate your feed, share the history! Everybody needs more history.

She didn't have academic cred in history neither and she did it anyway. Go ahead and share the resources and creative inspiration! Is not like you're claiming because "white people bad", but for give more inspo for any artist or writer.

Borrow cred. There are books, if not a lot, about POC in medieval times and other ancient times, and university librarians who like to help with that sort of thing. lbr, "academic cred" is just reading those books and interrogating them until someone decides you've done it enough for several degrees. if it's something that's worth it to you to pay for, buy art history journals that focus on diversity and ask those authors for the ability to post.

And honestly, also focus on POC in the parts of the world where they lived.

The one think I unequivocally agree with them on is that if people could travel, it's possible they did travel and fandom stuff doesn't need to be so historically accurate that you have to have PROOF! that whatever character you're talking about was definitely in this place at this time.

Was that the one that posted a black and white portrait of Henry VIII as a small child, and proclaimed that his curly hair *obviously* meant African heritage...?

(That was a memorable post, I cannot deny.)

People have been doing this with Beethoven a lot as well. And the reasons always sound borderline racist.

Yeah, I followed her for a while because it was the only place I could find posting interesting non-white art (there were a few others focusing on Asian art, which I also followed). But then the whole "smuggling my Roma grandmother out of Germany in a suitcase" and "everyone in this picture is African" bullshit started up and no thank you.

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