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fandomsecrets2009-02-27 06:17 pm
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[ SECRET POST #784 ]
⌈ Secret Post #784 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Keats, Byron, Wilde, Dante, Marlowe and Augustus]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #112.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: 104
(Anonymous) 2009-02-28 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)I suppose it's just how it's viewed, people see it as different.
I thought she did have a storyline of her own, she was the purest one of them all 'the good one', and she had her own better life without them. Maybe she was killed just to give them angst but that was the point kinda, they had ruined her when she was better without them. She didn't need them (which I would've thought is the point behind feminism) and in fact would've been better of without them.
It's funny though because I liked that part of the show, I would've felt a bit cheated if she hadn't died and they had been all 'happy ever after' or whatever, or even if she had been horrified with him. Because it would've suggested to me that it was okay how they had treated her and neither of them would've realised that they'd both used her in a way. There wouldn't have been a big of consequence of it. It screams to me 'no one wins when women get treated like this'. But eh, I dunno. Different strokes and all that. People view things different.
Yeah but Dollhouse is meant to be skeevy, isn't it?? It's like a exaggerated version of what goes on in the media all the time. We kinda supposed to be horrified aren't we?? In no possible way do I think he's saying that this is okay. I thought really it was saying the oppsite. Because women are constantly oversexualised and it's commenting on that.
Ahh I dunno. I think I'm just suprised because I actually would probably find more anti-feminism stuff in Buffy or Angel to be honest (like you said they have their problems) over Dr. H or Dollhouse. I'm shocked that it's these programs that have been causing all the uproar, not the former. I didn't see all this uproar when Buffy ended yet in the end it was the man that saved the world. I was expecting it then, not now! Ha. Shows you never can tell.
Thanks for giving me more explaination though. It was helpful. I understand more now, even if I still don't agree.
But yeah, it's all on how you see things I guess.
Re: 104
And I don't think her death was all that necessary to be honest, her remaining alive would not mean happily ever after and whatever. I don't know, it is still what it is.
Yeah but Dollhouse is meant to be skeevy, isn't it?? It's like a exaggerated version of what goes on in the media all the time. We kinda supposed to be horrified aren't we?? In no possible way do I think he's saying that this is okay. I thought really it was saying the oppsite. Because women are constantly oversexualised and it's commenting on that.
Honestly the way the camera moves and the views that it gives the audience that kind of works against that, the way the scenes are lit. If it was commenting on it there would be a contrast, and there just isn't. Just because it is trying to work against misogyny in one way doesn't mean it doesn't also reinforce it. It is walking a tight balance, and I don't think it is really succeeding at this point.
I think at this point what saves Buffy and Angel and Firefly over Dr. H and Dollhouse is that I find the characters in the former three to be more interesting and more able and willing to work against their situation and they aren't just little tropes or dolls or whatever, that and the characters themselves are much less skeevy, where in Dollhouse, the characters well are. (The only character that I don't find skeevy some way that is not an active is FBI guy's neighbor.) It is one thing to put your characters into a skeevy situation and have them work against it, but when a few of those characters that you are supposed to sympathize with are being pretty damn skeevy themselves, then yeah I have problem with that.