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⌈ Secret Post #5383 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I’m pretty sure it had a lot to do with the strong fan focus on the Winchesters as characters over interest in exploring the supernatural world.

[meadowphoenix]

Because at the time fans of the spn weren't interested in the nuances of monster society, they were interested in sam and dean fighting over whether monsters had enough humanity to not kill them on sight as it ultimately related to the sam and dean relationship. They were also annoyed at the wayward sisters backdoor. hell, some are annoyed at Jensen's prequel!!

it was fine, but it was also distinctly not SPN, and I have rarely seen fans of any show like backdoor episodes like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Jensen had a prequel?! When? Lol I jumped ship around S7/The Nothing/Chuck and only came back to watch the ending (in which Dean was shafted, but whatever). Were they trying to make that a thing? I recall the Chicago thing and Wayward sisters...

[meadowphoenix]

oh man you (probably quite fortunately) missed the Drama(tm) that occurred a couple of months ago. Jensen recently announced that his production company is going to do a Winchester prequel about John and Mary, Kripke is also involved. Jared got upset that he didn't know and wasn't involved (for someone who isn't really invested in either of them, it was kinda funny but also absolutely ridiculous).

Besides fans taking sides, many of them were also quite "them?....why?" about a John and Mary prequel. I have to admit I am also ???? about this prequel because I just don't understand how you can sustain interest in a romantic story about John and Mary wherein Mary is actively deceiving John about her entire life and never tells him the truth. Maybe it's a limited series.

[(Anonymous)]

What meadowphoenix said, and also, SPN fans are a little snobby about the show being "better" than typical WB teen drama fare, and Bloodlines was perceived as another pretty young people monster show like Vampire Diaries.

I didn't mind the episode, but I probably wouldn't have watched the spinoff, because I didn't care about Vampire Diaries either.

Fandom specifically is also very slash-shippy, and nobody gives a fuck about het ships, and Bloodlines seemed like a het ship show. Like Vampire Diaries.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Definitely gave me Vampire Diaries/The Originals vibes. Like we've been there done that on the same network too.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked it too, but it felt like a slightly different universe with different rules to me, so I can see why it didn't get a lot of love from Supernatural fans.

[(Anonymous)]

I’ll be honest, OP. I didn’t like it because it didn’t have much of Dean, Cas, or Sam. After season eight, I was watching the show for those three characters and not really caring about anything else, so any spin-off that stars a different cast likely won’t interest me.

[(Anonymous)]

Back when I watched that episode, I wasn't a fan of SPN, just watching it casually, so the reason that I wanted it all to be about Dean and Sam didn't apply to me. And still, I thought it was one of the most boring episodes of TV history. I didn't manage to watch the whole episode, but turned off the TV after 10-15 minutes. At the time, I didn't even know it was supposed to be a backdoor pilot. So maybe it had something to do with expectations. If I had gone in expecting to watch a pilot of a new show, I might have sucked it up and kept watching.

[(Anonymous)]

I hated it when I saw it in real time, but I was recently watching the season with a friend who hadn't seen it and I liked it a lot more.

I think the reasons that it wasn't well-received were the same reasons that most of the characters who were supposed to be recurring weren't well-received (so many of the women, for example) - the focus wasn't on Sam-and-Dean or Dean-and-Cas. In a backdoor pilot, this is theoretically more or less forgivable, but the SPN fandom was notoriously, um. Passionate.

It also didn't feel like an episode of Supernatural. My impression, watching it the second time, is that it was very much a sort of Vampire-Diaries-esque monster-politics show with the potential to edge into Police Procedural But With Monsters territory, which is not an objectively bad thing in a traditional pilot. Honestly, if I'd watched essentially the same show without the Winchester element at that time, I think I would have been pretty into it. Hell, I'd be into it now.

The one thing that stood out to me as absolutely not working was how Sam and Dean related to the episode's protagonists. Because the story needed its new protagonist to be the center of the story and solve the problems, both Winchesters (but particularly Dean, because he's the one who's Always Right) end up being markedly less competent than we're used to seeing. They make choices that drive the plot along really well and set up the protagonist really well, but that would end in disaster for them on a standard SPN episode - in other words, the story puts them in the position of the guest stars who need to be saved, and that was unpalatable to the part of the show's audience that was likely to be loud and outspoken about it.

Honestly, I find it hard to figure out how to incorporate an in-character Sam and Dean with The Monster Mafia In Chicago on a structural level. Dean should have tried to burn it all to the ground instead of just walking away, with how they had it set up, and that part of it ended up feeling unsatisfying in a way that wasn't compensated for by the perfectly good actual plot of the rest of the story. But it was a tricky problem to begin with, so it's not like I don't have sympathy for the writers.