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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-10-04 06:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #5386 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5386 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2021-10-05 10:20 am (UTC)(link)
The problem with calling Odo a collaborator is that it implies that he sided against his own people with the enemy. The Bajorans didn’t adopt him. They found him as a child and didn’t even name him. You can’t be a traitor against a side that doesn’t claim you as a citizen. Odo was a third-party contractor working for the wrong side.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-05 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe, but Kira calls Quark a collaborator when explaining why she doesn't like him, and he would be seen as the same as Odo -- a third-party contractor working for the wrong side. If the label applies to Quark, I don't understand why it wouldn't apply to Odo (especially since Quark wasn't raised by Bajorans in any way...). Later in the series, a Cardassian even calls Kira out on her double-standards regarding Odo. The show doesn't really take a stance on whether that Cardassian had a good point or not, but I think it's easy to read (given everything going on with Kira's character) that yes, Odo by all rights should have been considered a collaborator by her but got a free pass.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-05 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Quark gets done so bad by Kira, we learn that he provided covert aid to the Bajorans and sold them goods not only at cost but at discount too. By Ferengi standards he's a bleeding heart liberal do gooder, and he gets no respect from the people he's been helping for that. Kira is kinda an asshole. Also, she deliberately targeted civilians during the occupation, making her definitely a terrorist and not a freedom fighter at all.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-06 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT. I agree, Quark does get done so bad by Kira. But in her defense, (1) it's not clear if she knew about those activities (Brunt knows about them but Brunt has probably been compiling a dossier on Quark's perversions for like years), and (2) probably what annoys Kira more about Quark is that he is (in his demeanor) unprincipled and uncaring when it comes to the occupation. While his soft heart is unusual for a Ferengi, for people outside that culture he just seems as money-grubbing and self-interested and lacking a sense of justice as other Ferengi. I think for Kira, what matters isn't just what you do but the reason you do it. I think that's why she has more respect for Odo's flawed but sincerely held moral code than Quark's ostensible profit-driven amorality.

Also, Quark is a sexual harasser, and Kira really has no patience for that kind of behavior. Even though that's completely unrelated to the occupation issue, my guess is that her personal dislike of Quark's personality colors her overall evaluation of him.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-06 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
As long as we're doing this the fun way and taking the Watsonian route, Kira doesn't speak for Bajor. I would guess, just based on how people work, that the Bajoran Resistance would have had its own share of Bajoran resistance over its "let's blow up this Cardassian daycare because a high ranking Cardassian officer is there on a PR stunt" tactics even if the blowback hadn't been "summary executions of Bajoran civilians." Similarly, some Bajorans likely would have seen Odo as a collaborator, and some would have seen him as a best case scenario, and some wouldn't have been able to take him seriously either way because he's that one college professor's extra credit project. Kira gives him a free pass because she likes him, and Quark gets extra shit because she doesn't like him.