[ SECRET POST #5386 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5386 ⌋

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Name the fandom. And repeats, etc.

(If you think something in this thread is a troll, please ignore it! Conversation is fine, but OT wank makes stuff harder to keep track of in this thread. Thanks.)

[(Anonymous)]

today's post appears to be locked despite the link being posted to LJ

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01. https://i.imgur.com/1LTY3bg.png

[(Anonymous)]

I can't write RPF ships that don't include the RL partners if they have kids because then it feels like I'm trying to uncreate the kids, which is a turnoff.

[tabaqui]

Damn....I totally get it, but...do you have *anyone* left to write about?

[(Anonymous)]

Did you write them with imaginary kids beforehand or is the whole topic off limits?

[(Anonymous)]

I sorta get that, I probably wouldn't like that very much either - but I never had an rpf pairing in where the kids weren't already at least teenagers lol

[chamonix]

That is one cute baby!

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure that, at the time, Odo was seen as a neutral party by all sides, basically because he was considered an outsider by all sides, but it's been a long time so I might be remembering that wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Odo was deliberately neutral and both sides respected that. He wasn't a collaborator (in that he wasn't turning against his own people) but he wasn't one of the ruling class either. Before that he'd been a lab experiment. I think Dukat just had him there because it was less trouble for him than either putting an over-eager Cardassian in place or having to constantly lean on a Bajoran.

[4thofeleven]

There's a few episodes that try and add some depth to Odo's role in the Occupation, but I don't think the writers ever really acknowledge that, by any reasonable definition, he was a collaborator at best, at worst an active agent of the Cardassian regime.

(There is the attempt to claim that, unlike his Cardassian predecessors, he enforced the laws justly... but I'm not sure that's possible under a colonial regime, because the laws themselves are unjust.)

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with calling Odo a collaborator is that it implies that he sided against his own people with the enemy. The Bajorans didn’t adopt him. They found him as a child and didn’t even name him. You can’t be a traitor against a side that doesn’t claim you as a citizen. Odo was a third-party contractor working for the wrong side.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh man, yes! I have a lot of thoughts about this that basically boil down to "keep watching, but also ultimately I agree with you."

The writers' intentions: I think the writers intended Odo to be (on balance) a force of good/protector of Bajorans' interests in a very oppressive system in a way that earned him Bajorans' respect and gratitude, but with some dark aspects to his character which are not public knowledge, which are explored in various episodes. But I also think the writers were a bit naive about what exactly counts as collaboration and how public aspects of Odo's character (such as his "neutrality") would have come off to Bajorans who were fighting for their lives. It is reading a bit against the intention of the text to call Odo a collaborator because the writers didn't intend him to be that -- they wanted him to be a neutral outsider who earned people's respect with his unbreakable sense of justice.

My realistic read of Odo: Is that he always wanted to do the right thing but (1) he was naive and generally a not very thoughtful person and was basically used by Dukat, and (2) he himself has fascist leanings that made the Cardassian regime attractive to him. To me, while he may not have wanted or realized he was playing that role, his overall effect in the Cardassian occupation was to legitimize it and its legal processes. Based on what you see of Odo's past in canon, there is no way he wasn't seen as a collaborator and wasn't an object of resentment for many Bajorans (probably a very polarizing figure), not a neutral outsider who made things more bearable and earned the respect of Cardassians and Bajorans alike.

My attempt to reconcile the two to try to come up with a canon-compliant read of Odo's character that respects the writer's intentions for his character: He must have regularly interfered/exerted his influence on the Cardassian government and/or regularly helped the resistance on the side. This is not actually shown in canon other than his willingness to be blunt with Dukat about the occupation and what he did for Kira when he first met her, but I just have to assume it was a regular thing throughout the years that Odo either assisted the resistance or gave the Cardassian government pushback. My guess is that he personally saved the lives of a lot of Bajorans and so was remembered afterward as a kind of Schindler character, and his history of collaborating with the Cardassians was basically papered over in favor of a more positive reputation. IDK.

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[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, secret maker for making this secret! I like the color choices made here, and really like how you designed things. It's bon appetite!

Also, I'm grateful to everyone who made a reply to this secret. I feel that I am too smooth-brained to reply to all of them, but I also appreciate seeing everyone's perspective on this matter. I still kinda feel that Odo's position as being liked by both Cardassian and Bajorans alike feels like something that was introduced early before production but wasn't a fully baked idea, and something that future writers felt they had to address somehow. Deep Space Nine is a show that developed a lot as the show went on, and had some interesting character explorations. Perhaps as Kira frequently calls herself a terrorist, perhaps Odo having done his best in trying times is similar shade of gray planned out for him.

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[(Anonymous)]

Same. I was prepared for it to be cringe and something I might've enjoyed in 2012 fandom times but the webtoon is actually enjoyable. Sure, it's still 200% fanservice but it's good fanservice!

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[(Anonymous)]

So sweet! I do this too anon, a nice comment (especially a slightly longer/more specific one) really does continue to encourage me during difficult days for months or even years after.

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm not familiar with this show, why is it considered bad?

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[(Anonymous)]

i keep seeing comments of people saying shit like "i usually don't care about ads but with you i actually trust it!" and it's like, a fantasy author sponsored by nordvpn. like bro they don't know shit about vpns (and nordvpn had in fact a data breach they didn't disclose for a year winkyface ;)))) and even if they did, they're being fucking paid to say this!! that's what ads are!!!

like i don't get it are people really this stupid. do they really see a person go "hey i'm being paid to say this now :)" and think wow they must objectively love the product like... what. bro what

this is not directly related to what you said but you know. a rant in the stewing

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[(Anonymous)]

Like a lot of people I didn't want to let go of summer this year. Between not having the awesome post-pandemic summer we expected and the warm weather lingering on, I refused to acknowledge fall was happening the whole month of September. But this weekend a switch flipped and even though the weather will be rather summery at least the rest of the week, I am ready for fall BRING ON THE PUMPKIN SPICE!!

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