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⌈ Secret Post #5392 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with Tony is that he might have been capable of recognizing a mistake after the disaster has hit, but never well enough to stop making them at all. Every screw up was followed by a massive over correction in the other direction, leading to a new, easily, avoidable different life ruining mistake.

[(Anonymous)]

NA - This is why I love Tony so much. He's a tragic hero. His actions come from a sense of duty and goodness, but his flaw is trying to pre-empt tragedies and be a perfect person to the world instead of being selfish. Look at how okay his life was going when he gave up on trying to be a hero and focused on himself, only to let that go because he can not stop trying to save everyone. And as much as I love him it makes his death completely fitting. The only way he could finally save everyone, was to die doing it. (And hell, that may have not even worked out tbh because reversing the snap when they did was kind of a weird choice, but I don't think the other movies are going to acknowledge that.)

Tony is, dare I say, THE most complex and interesting character in the Avengers. I think quite a lot of hate for him does come from how front and center he is in the Avengers narrative. To me all the Avenger movies are just more Iron Man movies. Tony is the core. Now that he's gone we're getting a refresh of most of the characters because the Avengers are over, long live the Avengers.

[(Anonymous)]

But he does do it all because he is selfish. He does stuff not because it is right, but because he is constantly seeking to alleviate the guilt of his previous screw up to make himself feel better. That is why he overcorrects all the time, he isn't trying to do right for right's sake. Right up to the end though, when he finally realizes doing what is right won't make him feel better and won't alleviate any guilt on his part, and it certainly will not fix of his old mistakes, but because it needs done because it is the right thing on its own merits for everyone else to have a future.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with AYRT, and I think Tony's motivation is far more about doing right because it's right, and only secondarily about alleviating his own guilt. However, I don't think it's an either/or, and that's a huge part of what makes the character so beautifully complex. He's always trying, dauntlessly, endlessly, to help and to do what's right, but things like his deep-seated fear of being helpless and his sense of personal guilt make everything a lot more complicated for him.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't say I agree with your sentiment, because it pins his turnover to "doing right for right's sake" at the very end when I think it happens much earlier than that, at least after the first Avengers movie if not earlier. I think he is genuine in wanting to help other people, but there is definitely a bit of selfishness in that, no one is 100% pure in their altruism.
What I had meant though about "instead of being selfish" is that it would have been selfish to use his energy to try to better his bubble instead of trying to keep the world from being destroyed. And I don't think his story is about guilt, I think it's about fear.
To me Tony is someone who is trying to do the right thing, but keeps over-extending the scale 1) because he has the means to, and 2) because of an underlying fear. And that spells doom because he has all of the traits of a tragic character (of which one is arrogance!). And the funny thing is, maybe he could have helped the world more, if he wasn't so hell bent on trying to save it all at once (which he dies for).

+1

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU. ALL OF THIS

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

-1

NO THANK YOU. NONE OF THIS.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

+2 BUT REALLY ALL OF IT, NONETHELESS.

[(Anonymous)]

NARYT but "To me all the Avenger movies are just more Iron Man movies." <-- that's kind of MY main complaint. I would have liked to have more movies about other characters.

[(Anonymous)]

You want a Thor: The Dark World pt2?

[(Anonymous)]

Would be great to get an actual Captain America 3.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I remember all my friends being annoyed by this, but RDJ was basically the headliner at that point and the directors never changed their mind about that despite the popularity of subsequent movies.

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't make it less annoying, especially when the fantastic characterization he had in his own movies was torn to shreds by the other movies.

[(Anonymous)]

+10000000

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is, people are way exagerating how many big screws up he actually made in the MCU. Because, as far as I can tell, there's only a few of those that are in the present days of the MCU (meaning him being a jerk to Kilian years before he had his self-revelation absolutely doesn't count): selling weapons and Ultron (shared responsabilities with Bruce, Wanda, the mind-stone and Ultron himself). Of course, if you think the Accords were a bad thing you would see it as an overcorrection. I see them as a necessary, amendable thing that had potential to be a good thing if given any chance. Again, other character in the MCU, even other Avengers could be said to have made as much mistakes as he did. But, everyone loves to use him as an easy scapegoat.

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[(Anonymous)]

This all the way. Even Honest Trailers got in on the scapegoating. It’s getting old.

Just dislike a character, don’t try to blame them for every bad thing that happens in the story with negligible reasoning just because you dislike them.

[(Anonymous)]

SA: and selling weapons being pre-revelation, it doesn't actually count I've just realised.